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Quote from morganist:
I was wondering if anyone had any views on this.
The world we live in punishes certain types of behaviour. For example excessive eating, excessive drinking, sexual immorality etc. However all of these things are punished by nature itself. Poor diet and consumption of alcohol and drugs create illnesses and cancer. Sexual immorality leads to sexually transmitted diseases.
Why is this? Why has the boundary been set by nature that we have to behave in a certain way or we are punished? Why should someone get punished by nature if they drink too much, eat too much, don't get enough exercise. It is as if we are punished for laziness and greed. Also a lot of these things have impacts on other people. Easting too much food takes food away from others, alcohol creates social unrest, so does drugs and sex without responsibility leads to unwanted pregnancies.
So is there some kind of consciousness in nature to punish this behaviour when it impacts on other people. A kind of consciousness that is able to appreciate the value of each person and the impact of certain behaviour on others. I think Christians would consider it to the Holy Ghost. Although I think many Christians believe it is like a ever present consciousness rather than the natural rules.
What is it that sets the boundaries that we live in in the world and why have they been set like that?
Fingerprints of a divine creator perhaps?
When I look around me and notice the complexity of my surroundings, I find it impossible to conclude that it all evolved by chance.
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Is it worth watching?
It was a fascinating film but it's not for everyone. It really touches on Becker's philosophy. The film can be hard to watch because of how it was shot. The closest thing I can compare it to is 2001: A Space Odyssey. If you liked that film in terms of its structure, you "might" like this film. I think it takes a very interesting approach looking at man's relationship to God and nature. People seem to either really love this film or absolutely hate it. Not much in between. It's a very visual film like 2001.
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Quote from Maverick74:
It was a fascinating film but it's not for everyone. It really touches on Becker's philosophy. The film can be hard to watch because of how it was shot. The closest thing I can compare it to is 2001: A Space Odyssey. If you liked that film in terms of its structure, you "might" like this film. I think it takes a very interesting approach looking at man's relationship to God and nature. People seem to either really love this film or absolutely hate it. Not much in between. It's a very visual film like 2001.
Thx, it looks like something that would interest me.
Quote from morganist:
I was wondering if anyone had any views on this.
The world we live in punishes certain types of behaviour. For example excessive eating, excessive drinking, sexual immorality etc. However all of these things are punished by nature itself. Poor diet and consumption of alcohol and drugs create illnesses and cancer. Sexual immorality leads to sexually transmitted diseases.
Why is this? Why has the boundary been set by nature that we have to behave in a certain way or we are punished? Why should someone get punished by nature if they drink too much, eat too much, don't get enough exercise. It is as if we are punished for laziness and greed. Also a lot of these things have impacts on other people. Easting too much food takes food away from others, alcohol creates social unrest, so does drugs and sex without responsibility leads to unwanted pregnancies.
So is there some kind of consciousness in nature to punish this behaviour when it impacts on other people. A kind of consciousness that is able to appreciate the value of each person and the impact of certain behaviour on others. I think Christians would consider it to the Holy Ghost. Although I think many Christians believe it is like a ever present consciousness rather than the natural rules.
What is it that sets the boundaries that we live in in the world and why have they been set like that?
complete and total nonsense. only a religious mind could think this way. any study of health statistic would show this to be untrue.
i have one friend who drinks a bottle of whiskey every weekend and smokes heavy and yet seems to be healthy. i have another friend who is a strong christian who never smoked a day in her life dying of lung cancer.
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complete and total nonsense. only a religious mind could think this way. any study of health statistic would show this to be untrue.
i have one friend who drinks a bottle of whiskey every weekend and smokes heavy and yet seems to be healthy. i have another friend who is a strong christian who never smoked a day in her life dying of lung cancer.
Our actions effect not only ourselves but others, second hand smoke causes lung cancer. Obviously a healthy lifestyle increases your odds of longevity compared to the opposite.
sure it tips the odds in your favor but the people who live healthy get sick. ever heard of things called germs and viruses?Quote from Wallet:
Our actions effect not only ourselves but others, second hand smoke causes lung cancer. Obviously a healthy lifestyle increases your odds of longevity compared to the opposite.
exposed to certian germs it doesnt matter what your lifestyle is. you will get sick.
My view then.Quote from morganist:
I was wondering if anyone had any views on this.
The world we live in punishes certain types of behaviour. For example excessive eating, excessive drinking, sexual immorality etc. However all of these things are punished by nature itself. Poor diet and consumption of alcohol and drugs create illnesses and cancer. Sexual immorality leads to sexually transmitted diseases.
Punishment as in meaning to intentionally impose a penalty?
Then Nature does't punish behavior. It merely reacts with remorseless indifference to events that naturally occur, in ways it possibly can.
For instance death is not nature's punishment for old age which it would be by what you are suggesting.
You are unjustifiably applying human attributes and emotions to something that has pitiless unconcern for whether people are drinking too much, too little, or not enough.Quote from morganist:
Why is this? Why has the boundary been set by nature that we have to behave in a certain way or we are punished? Why should someone get punished by nature if they drink too much, eat too much, don't get enough exercise. It is as if we are punished for laziness and greed. Also a lot of these things have impacts on other people. Easting too much food takes food away from others, alcohol creates social unrest, so does drugs and sex without responsibility leads to unwanted pregnancies.
The natural chemical and biological consequences that will inevitably occur, or not, from those events is what nature is.
Unwanted pregnancies are neither wanted nor unwanted by nature itself. The natural ability to procreate and all the natural and various outcomes of it, has nothing to do with whether or not nature itself wishes for it, or considers consequences as undesirable.
What you call boundaries is just nature happening. The universe is observed exactly how it would be were it devoid of design, purpose and not functioning by good or evil. Just complete unbiased, impartial, unconcerned natural reaction.Quote from morganist:
So is there some kind of consciousness in nature to punish this behaviour when it impacts on other people. A kind of consciousness that is able to appreciate the value of each person and the impact of certain behaviour on others. I think Christians would consider it to the Holy Ghost. Although I think many Christians believe it is like a ever present consciousness rather than the natural rules.
What is it that sets the boundaries that we live in in the world and why have they been set like that?
People punish people. Nature itself doesn't impose penalties. It merely responds naturally without concern.
I think your view , as it is also portrayed via Christian belief particularly, is to make the human condition seem more important than it possibly can be. Itâs an arrogance and is far too self-important in my view.
Like a spoilt child who thinks everything should evolve around itself. Who can't bear the idea that the observable world, the universe, has no special concern for it.