Theologians Think They’re Smarter Than Stephen Hawking

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1a, true fact.
2a, true fact, is not speculation, it's why greenhouses are warmer than the same piece of ground (receiving the same energy input) outside them.

1. It's incredible that you cannot hold both these facts in your mind at the same time.
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it is amazing that you do not comprehend that if... warming causes more CO2 to be accumulated (as it seems to in the historical records) ... then man making more of it does not or may not matter... the amount accumulated may simply be a function of the warming.

how many times do I have to explain basic logic to you all.

2. but, I would like to check your assumptions... prove greenhouses are warmer because they have more co2... and not that greenhouses cause more gas because they are warmer.

When I go into a greenhouses... I sense a lot of humidity too. Are greenhouses warmer because there is more humidity.

Its funny... i thought they were warm because the sun gets through the windows and heats up the room.
I sure wish I had climatology degree to tell me its all the CO2.


Ricter... my car receives the same amount of energy... yet it warms up. are you really serious... you think the driver is the co2. Ever been in a sun room? or a house facing the ocean on the west coast in the afternoon?

wtf? are you serious?
I thought you were joking when you said that in the past.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/conservation/conservationists/eden2.htm
 
Quote from jem:

it is amazing that you do not comprehend that if... warming causes more CO2 to be accumulated (as it seems to in the historical records) ... then man making more of it does not or may not matter... the amount accumulated may simply be a function of the warming.
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We can measure how much CO2 we're emitting at the various sources, and we can go on to identify this unique CO2 in the atmosphere, iow, we can tell it's "Man added".

Edit: the rest of your post is godawful stupid. I'm sorry, I'm not saying you're stupid, only the post. Perhaps you are merely generating page views for this site's owner... ?
 
Quote from Ricter:

We can measure how much CO2 we're emitting at the various sources, and we can go on to identify this unique CO2 in the atmosphere, iow, we can tell it's "Man added".

Edit: the rest of your post is godawful stupid. I'm sorry, I'm not saying you're stupid, only the post. Perhaps you are merely generating page views for this site's owner... ?
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so... I show you the sun causes the warmth... and you still argue its the co2 in a greenhouse?

lets review this...

as the earth warms the glass gets thicker.
does it matter if it is man made glass or earth made glass?

--- wow you are dense on this subject.


60 degrees rise to 70 units of purple haze glass

61 degress rise to 80 units of ph glass
62 degrees rise to 90 ph glass

earth creates 100s of units of ph glass
man creates 20 units of ph glass

now.. you tell me that what... the man mades ph glass is the problem? why? the glass was potential going to that thickness anyway... it did in the past.
 
Quote from jem:

so... I show you the sun causes the warmth... and you still argue its the co2 in a greenhouse?
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LOL!

No, I'm arguing that CO2 acts like the glass of a greenhouse, ie. it freely admits light energy but slows the departure of the resultant heat energy.
 
Quote from Ricter:

LOL!

No, I'm arguing that CO2 acts like the glass of a greenhouse, ie. it freely admits light energy but slows the departure of the resultant heat energy.
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great... that did not seem apparent from your posts in the past... because I keep making this point and you do not seem to get it.

now lets put your mind to work.

if warming precedes the glass getting thicker in the historical records.
how is it that the glass causes the warming?

again... an analogy would be warmer air holds more water.
warmer environment accumulates more CO2.
 
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if warming precedes the glass getting thicker in the historical records.
how is it that the glass causes the warming?
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The thicker glass doesn't, it just traps, ie. slows down still more, the rate the heat generated by the warming agent radiates from (leaves) the greenhouse.

But now Man is making the glass thicker, so a warming agent is not strictly necessary to raise the inside temperature, though of course such agents will continue to act.
 
With regard to global warming-

Don't forget, every time the scientist-activists meet to discuss global warming, there are more hacked emails from the scientist-activists that are released

Remember someone hacked a lot of the emails when the scientist-activists didn't want to release their data?

Go to those emails. The scientist-activists are openly plotting how to influence public opinion in ways that have nothing to do with science!!
 
Quote from Ricter:

The thicker glass doesn't, it just traps, ie. slows down still more, the rate the heat generated by the warming agent radiates from (leaves) the greenhouse.

But now Man is making the glass thicker, so a warming agent is not strictly necessary to raise the inside temperature, though of course such agents will continue to act.
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your point is almost irrelevant to this discussion.
Do you not get what the historical records show.

When temperature goes up the glass gets thicker.
When temperature goes down the glass gets thinner.


So how the hell you claim man is making the glass thicker. you probably can't ever prove that... because both man and the earth naturally release CO2 and only some the release gets mixed into the thicker glass.
 
Quote from jem:

your point is almost irrelevant to this discussion.
Do you not get what the historical records show.

When temperature goes up the glass gets thicker.
When temperature goes down the glass gets thinner.

So how the hell you claim man is making the glass thicker.
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These two processes are not mutually exclusive.
 
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