The wonderful city of New York

kmgilroy89 said:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/newyorkcitynewyork
So they estimated it dropped to 8.4M during COVID, but mostly returned back to 8.8M. I've never seen anything close to the numbers you have before. If it's somewhere in that range it would have a negligible impact on the stats whether it's 8.4M or 8.8M. Obviously if the population was this large (which I doubt, I think they're making some sort of calculation error perhaps doubling it) that would make NYC even safer as the number of murders was 485 (according to the conservative NY Post).
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Can you breakdown the rates by race per capita
In Chicago there are about 500 Blacks killed and this year so far only 17 White people killed....
 
Tsing Tao said:
It wouldn't make NYC safer because you'd also have to include the crime statistics in the larger geographical error. But now that I know what data set you are using to determine population, even though it is at odds with other sources, I can absolutely accept the census as a source.

Now, please show me the source you are using to get to NYC being safer than Tampa, JAX, Miami and Orlando?
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I was going by the Wikipedia page that has a table from the FBI, but searching on the FBI website it has something even more specific on cities in FL:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-6
City of Jacksonville:
Population: 909,142 Murders:129 Rate: 14.2/100k
City of Miami:
Population: 480,505 Murders:43 Rate: 8.9/100k
City of Tampa:
Population: 400,501 Murders:31 Rate: 7.7/100k
City of Orlando:
Population: 292,120 Murders: 25 Rate: 8.6/100k

For some reason, NYC isn't on here. While still higher than NYC, these do vary from the Wikipedia site which may have gotten their data from another FBI source. Jacksonville/Orlando are higher while Miami/Tampa are lower than the Wikipedia source. My guess is that the Wikipedia source isn't solely based from 2019 FBI data, but used some sort of smoothing technique as when the totals are in the double digits murder rates can vary significantly year to year just based on a singular outlier event.

If looking at larger geographic areas, they have measurements of that as well for these FL cities. First, you have to define what is the geographic area. However, I thought you were mostly concerned about the city of NYC, because that's where the subway is. You can look at specific places in the NYC metro area and find high murder rates (like Newark) just as you can for almost all the major metro areas, but if you look at NYC collectively or the metro area collectively it's impossible to call it some sort of murderous cesspool compared to the rest of the country. Even with the recent uptick it's still a lot safer than it was back in say 1990.
 
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Mercor said:
Can you breakdown the rates by race per capita
In Chicago there are about 500 Blacks killed and this year so far only 17 White people killed....
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I'm not going to do that for each city, but yes, Chicago has a lot of gang activity in the black community.
 
Mercor said:
Can you breakdown the rates by race per capita
In Chicago there are about 500 Blacks killed and this year so far only 17 White people killed....
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kmgilroy89 said:
I was going by the Wikipedia page that has a table from the FBI, but searching on the FBI website it has something even more specific on cities in FL:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-6
City of Jacksonville:
Population: 909,142 Murders:129 Rate: 14.2/100k
City of Miami:
Population: 480,505 Murders:43 Rate: 8.9/100k
City of Tampa:
Population: 400,501 Murders:31 Rate: 7.7/100k
City of Orlando:
Population: 292,120 Murders: 25 Rate: 8.6/100k

For some reason, NYC isn't on here. While still higher than NYC, these do vary from the Wikipedia site which may have gotten their data from another FBI source. Jacksonville/Orlando are higher while Miami/Tampa are lower than the Wikipedia source. My guess is that the Wikipedia source isn't solely based from 2019 FBI data, but used some sort of smoothing technique as when the totals are in the double digits murder rates can vary significantly year to year just based on a singular outlier event.

If looking at larger geographic areas, they have measurements of that as well for these FL cities. First, you have to define what is the geographic area. However, I thought you were mostly concerned about the city of NYC, because that's where the subway is. You can look at specific places in the NYC metro area and find high murder rates (like Newark) just as you can for almost all the major metro areas, but if you look at NYC collectively or the metro area collectively it's impossible to call it some sort of murderous cesspool compared to the rest of the country. Even with the recent uptick it's still a lot safer than it was back in say 1990.
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Once again, the population numbers are vastly off. Tampa has way more than 400k people. The actual city itself, perhaps. But the metro area?

Also, your statistics are all from 2019, when post-covid there has been a significant escalation in crime statistics across the country.

You need to find a single source of data - preferably more recent - and then compare. You can't compare one city from one source and another from another source or you risk an apples/oranges comparison.
 
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