The wonderful city of New York
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So you're using wikipedia, that anyone can edit. Now to be fair, this wiki article claims it gets its data from the FBI UCR (Uniform Crime Reporting) website, but I just went there and spent some time trying to get to the data on the wiki site - to no avail.
Even the wiki article itself says the following:
Often, one obtains very different results depending on whether crime rates are measured for the city jurisdiction or the metropolitan area.[2]
Information is voluntarily submitted by each jurisdiction and some jurisdictions do not appear in the table because they either did not submit data or they did not meet deadlines.
And when you look at the previous source you provided insofar as the geography of New York City, it looks at Manhattan while simultaneously ignoring the Bronx or Brooklyn, etc. Take one of the safest boroughs with the most people and call that New York, while at the same time taking the most dangerous part of Jacksonville (the city) and ignoring all the safe areas around the city. Yeah, that's a fair comparison.Information is voluntarily submitted by each jurisdiction and some jurisdictions do not appear in the table because they either did not submit data or they did not meet deadlines.
So the data is not comprehensive and cannot be used in apples to apples comparisons, because of data set limitations, differences in local reporting and incongruity. The FBI UCR itself even states that information should not be used for comparison purposes for this exact reason.
This goes back to the "San Francisco robberies are down in the last year!" but when you dig into the data, you find that the police department stopped reporting robberies because they couldn't prosecute them. So did they really drop? Of course they didn't.
By the way, I'm not saying Jacksonville is a safe city by any stretch of the imagination. It isn't. But NYC is a cesspool as well, and your data comparison is worthless.
But we can do this: You can post all the videos and news articles about crime in Jacksonville, and I'll do the same with NYC and we will see who has more content. What do ya think?
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London, that great cesspool into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained. — Arthur Conan Doyle.
Is history repeating itself with New York?
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Jacksonville is not a safe city either and leads Florida in several categories (was murder capital of FL in 2020!).
NYC is a big city with its share of crime but Jacksonville is definitely not doing much better for its size...
NYC is a big city with its share of crime but Jacksonville is definitely not doing much better for its size...
Right, of course. You guys should start a "Wonderful city of Jacksonville" thread. I'm sure there will be lots of content.
Did you check the statistics before offering your opinion?
He's absolutely right - Jacksonville is a very unsafe city (the actual urban city, not the metro area, which frequently gets overlooked when comparing). But to suggest these things that are happening in NYC are happening in Jax is silly. Most of Jax crime is gang/drug related. NYC is open season on everyone.