The War on Christianity

Quote from seneca_roman:


So, let's seek truth:

Does the Bible condone slavery? It not, show using scripture that it does not.

Why do some Christians use Leviticus 18:22 as the basis to attack homosexuals but ignore virtually all of the other passages in Lev.?

I await your answers.
Seneca
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Lord Seneca, you are an honest seeker of truth. Keep seeking, and you will find...soon.

Words that point to truth, in the hands of chief priests, are shiftily converted from freedom inducing devices [keys that let out], to slavery conducive devices [keys that lock in].

The bible is a product of chief priests. The bible is a key that locks in, which, when converted by a Lord, can be made a key that lets out.

Jesus
 
Quote from stu:

No need. I'll ask you that question.
If you answer in the affirmative I will ask you again whether you believe there is a GoD beyond the gOd which you call *Our Father*.
Whenever you answer in the affirmative I will ask the question again.
Whenever you answer in the negative I will notice how that the ground you stand on with Bickz " is very real indeed...to the point that it is fairly sacred to both of you."
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There is no GoD beyond GoD. The question you ask was asked before the foundation of the world, before time, form and distance between forms. The world is the answer. It is the gOd beyond GoD. It is an oxymoron: the gOd which is no gOd. Kind of like an emporer without clothes.

For those who are seeking a gOd beyond GoD, the design of the world provides them with all the "evidence" they want.

For those who are seeking no gOd beyond GoD, the random chaos of the world provides them with all the "evidence" they ask for.

One could argue that the latter group is more honest, having found that there is no GoD beyond GoD. Do you see evidence for gOd in this world? Neither do I particularly. In this sense, we are both atheists. But while I see a "mask", you see ______ (fill in the blank). "Mother nature"? Endless geneology tracing back to ______ (fill in the blank). Slime? Quarks? Black holes? Translation: Anything but *Our Father*.

Neither you, nor I can stomach the idolators who still seek for a gOd beyond GoD, and would just as soon vomit them out...out of our camp, out of our mind. They are not palatable at all. But let us all remember, that "we" all started out as idolaters, which is why "we" all have appendages of clay, and stand on the same "sacred" dirt. "We" are "many" and "different" [translation: separate, special], made in the image of our "special" extra gOd [acronym: e-g.o.].

Let us be either hot or cold, but not lukewarm.


Jesus
 
Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

This "war" is thousands of year old... Psalm 7:

Psalm 7 (The Message, Eugene H. Peterson)

A David Psalm

1-2 God! God! I am running to you for dear life; the chase is wild.
If they catch me, I'm finished:
ripped to shreds by foes fierce as lions,
dragged into the forest and left
unlooked for, unremembered.

3-5 God, if I've done what they say—
betrayed my friends,
ripped off my enemies—
If my hands are really that dirty,
let them get me, walk all over me,
leave me flat on my face in the dirt.

6-8 Stand up, God; pit your holy fury
against my furious enemies.
Wake up, God. My accusers have packed
the courtroom; it's judgment time.
Take your place on the bench, reach for your gavel,
throw out the false charges against me.
I'm ready, confident in your verdict:
"Innocent."

9-11 Close the book on Evil, God,
but publish your mandate for us.
You get us ready for life:
you probe for our soft spots,
you knock off our rough edges.
And I'm feeling so fit, so safe:
made right, kept right.
God in solemn honor does things right,
but his nerves are sandpapered raw.

11-13 Nobody gets by with anything.
God is already in action—
Sword honed on his whetstone,
bow strung, arrow on the string,
Lethal weapons in hand,
each arrow a flaming missile.

14 Look at that guy!
He had sex with sin,
he's pregnant with evil.
Oh, look! He's having
the baby—a Lie-Baby!

15-16 See that man shoveling day after day,
digging, then concealing, his man-trap
down that lonely stretch of road?
Go back and look again—you'll see him in it headfirst,
legs waving in the breeze.
That's what happens:
mischief backfires;
violence boomerangs.

17 I'm thanking God, who makes things right.
I'm singing the fame of heaven-high God.
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Thanks,'R Us;
Psalm 7 ,The Message:cool:

King James Version calls verse 13 missiles ''arrows, against the persecutors''

And dont agree much with Curtis Faith politics, but agree with his excellant book ''Way of the Turtle'' Especially his patterns- its about probabilities more than prediction.

And yet also, in Psalm 7 , dont know if King David[certainly a Hebrew prophet also] is bullish or bearish??? So i wouldnt be dogmatic about market direction based on ''flaming missles'';but
200 day moving average is bearish however.
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Pastor John Hagee preached a message Sunday 11-16-08 on Amrmageddon & the Oil Crisis.His message included
[a]Mayor Rothchild,
Noah, the non global warming weather forcaster ,
[c] Joseph the Hebrew ruler,
friend of God,
who worked in Egypt, 7 year ag patterns. Worked with 7 years of fat cows [kine]7 years of lean cows/lean corn/famine.


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Quote from stu:

I am.. is putting forward his own version of philosophy which for one thing arbitrarily defines atheism (sounds a lot like social thumping), does unto others what it says others do , (postulates a false-false as true-false, anything which is really real, is not real ) , whilst all the time telling everyone - even after advocating that kind of a quirky insight into philosophy - they are confused (the old 'everyone's out of step but me and a few other new age hippies' world view)
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If by arbitrary you mean inconsistent, you'd be mistaken. If you mean that I define my own terms, yes. The world redefines everything according to its own terms, so that everything is indefinite...and meaningless. I simply take the terms - symbols - postulated by the world and give them meaning...one which reunifies what they were intended to destroy. So you will find my definitions weave a seamless robe to be worn on one's way back to oneness.

In keeping with that consistency, this post will be our "last supper", so-to-speak. The alias "Jesus" will be laying down its "life" in order to "forgive" the chief priests which populate this thread. In this way, he will not be doing what others are doing in their failing endeavors to comprehend or obtain salvation.

Cheers to stu who so astutely pointed out consistent inconsistency. The symbol "Jesus" is no longer consistent with the overall aim to save oneSelf of the insane confusion that is the world. The symbol is being folded up and layed aside that the real business of forgiveness can proceed.

"Jesus" has fulfilled his purpose here.

Thanks to stu for the favors.
Thanks to "Jesus" for the favors.

Can we get an applause from those who have been entertained?

Christ!
aka: the artist formerly known as "Jesus".
 
I wasn't saying Christianity was stupid. I was saying that it is pointless for athiests and Christians to argue with each other because it is an argument of "it is" and "it is not" when neither of you know "it is" or "it is not". Quit talking like God is fact and no God is fact because neither is fact.

I could have faith that I am going to be a millionare and another person could say that there is a zero chance i will become a millionare. Neither I nor the other person truly know if i will become a millionare or not.

Being atheist is the same as being theistic, you just believe there is no god instead of believing there is a god. Putting absolute belief in no god whatsoever is as ignorant as absolutely believing there is a god.
 
Assuming facts not in evidence.

Is it a fact that God cannot be known?

Is it a fact that God can be known?

So your conclusion is simply an opinion lacking fact as a foundation, based in some definition you hold of God, and God knows where that opinion came from.

4 years of college, demand a refund, please...

Quote from NeoRio1:

I wasn't saying Christianity was stupid. I was saying that it is pointless for athiests and Christians to argue with each other because it is an argument of "it is" and "it is not" when neither of you know "it is" or "it is not". Quit talking like God is fact and no God is fact because neither is fact.

I could have faith that I am going to be a millionare and another person could say that there is a zero chance i will become a millionare. Neither I nor the other person truly know if i will become a millionare or not.

Being atheist is the same as being theistic, you just believe there is no god instead of believing there is a god. Putting absolute belief in no god whatsoever is as ignorant as absolutely believing there is a god.
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Quote from NeoRio1:

I wasn't saying Christianity was stupid. I was saying that it is pointless for athiests and Christians to argue with each other ....

I could have faith that I am going to be a millionare and another person could say that there is a zero chance i will become a millionare. Neither I nor the other person truly know if i will become a millionare or not.

Being atheist is the same as being theistic, you just believe there is no god instead of believing there is a god.
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Good points & logic on 2nd paragraph,NeoRio;
people are not very good when it comes to predicting the future.

Sure there is room for debate & discussion;
he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.The Petersons Message calls them ''each arrow a flaming missile''Psalms 7, the Message.

But people who have a relationship with the word of God;
know Psalm 7 and know the business pattern-pride is a bananna peel. Book of Proverbs says it like ''pride goes before destruction'......

Note Solomon warned of pride & destruction to help; so his friends & family would not be destroyed.
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Quote from stu:

The gift was always there, ready for when you could at last understand it's simple truth.
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Lord!

Has it been three days and nights already?
If you liked Jesus, you're going to love Christ!
Speaking of gifts, my first order of business as Christ! is to bestow everyone with the title "Lord", that I may speak to equals. And this is to express consistency. This is not flattery. Neither is it a new gift. I am giving awareness of what has always been, that the confusion that makes this world may be sorted out. As an equal, I do not command, nor do I intrude or take away. I repeat, when I speak, I am speaking to an equal, regardless of how that equal is manifesting power.

I said all that to say this:

Lordship is the gift of God to you.
You are the gift of God to you.
The world is a gift from you to you.
It answers a question.
As long as you continue to ask the question,
the world will remain your experience.
Your Lordship will never be taken away from you.
Therefore, the world will never be taken away from you.
All Lords are equals, being the totality of everything real, without heirarchy.
The breakup of one Lord does not diminish power.
A Lord is aware or unaware that he is Lord, according to how he has used power.
Lordship does not begin with human birth.
Human birth is an effect of power.
Lordship is the gift that is always there, ready for when you can at last understand it's simple truth.

Christ!
 
Quote from seneca_roman:



And while you are at it, answer these questions:


5. Do you believe slavery is OK?




As I am sure you know all of these are commanded in the Bible in a very clear way.

BTW-I never put out scripture in a "bad way" as I quote the Bible directly. So am I to take your comment about me putting it out in the "bad way" means that there is good and bad scripture. I thought it was all perfect and not subject to interpretation.


For example, why are homosexuals condemned using Leviticus 18:22 as a basis, while those casting that stone completely ignore Lev.1-21 and Lev. 23-30 as well as almost all of the other commands given in Leviticus?

Your pitiful friend in Christ and Holy Scripture may peace be upon you,

Seneca

ps-my favorite story was when I was eating in a restaurant next to a group of I assume Christians who were discussing the evils of homosexuals and how it was an abomination.

funny, they were having shrimp and lobster, ironically condemned as follows:

Leviticus 11:9-12:

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
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Sen Roman;
Well there are some Holy Scriptures Chistians & Jews have ;
to eat pork[swine/garbage eaters], but none use Scripture to have sex with a swine. Also forbidden in old testament.

I thought of you yesterday, as some in our church chose to eat ham [swine]. I did not eat any swine, Sunday [filthy, worm infested animals that eat garbage];
but did as a teenager. One Christain DR said you can NOT heat pork enough to kill all the parasites in pork......................

[5]God gives people a choice.
So i would note an important difference between;
a] forced & unhappy to be a slaver[servant]
b] volunteer & happy to be a slave[serve]

For exemple many new testament writers use the phrase''servant of Jesus Christ'', also means ''bondslave fo Jesus Christ. Its a free choice, like some business owners ''choose'' to work like a slave.

Remember Joseph in book of Genesis, got sold by his Jewish brothers into Egyptain slavery.

But the bottom line, double check this I am quoting from memory.Joeseph told his Jewish Brothers''You meat it for bad, but God worked it[my forced slavery ] for good.

They needed a wise servant ruler like Joe with 7 good years, 7 years of famine...................................................................................

Remember the Egyptian ruler, Joeph was forced in to unhappy slavery perhaps; but would up bing 2nd in command in Egypt-great voluntary position. So you may not want focus on his brothers miss or mistake, frankly , you may want to look @ big picture..............................................................................

I heard one Christian[repenter] leader tell [in RED LOBSTER seafood store]said God told him ''I dont even like lobster, but I am healing that person in RED LOBSTER.[seafood store] .''...........


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