coming from you, it is wielded like an Uzi in the hands of a 2 year old.
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The War on Christianity
- Thread starter Bickz
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coming from you, it is wielded like an Uzi in the hands of a 2 year old.
thats because you christians are adults who insist on believing in fairy tales. seems Europe and Asia are coming around to reality in increasing numbers. another reason they're going to bury us.
nobody ever lived inside a whale, nobody ever parted a sea,
it'd be impossible to board two of every animal on the biggest boat that exists today. snap out of it, break free from mommies
beliefs and don't try to defend christianity with agnosticism. (happens all the time) If you don't know the difference look it up.
nobody ever lived inside a whale, nobody ever parted a sea,
it'd be impossible to board two of every animal on the biggest boat that exists today. snap out of it, break free from mommies
beliefs and don't try to defend christianity with agnosticism. (happens all the time) If you don't know the difference look it up.
I agree with much of your post but as usual you too are buying into the same dogma as those you disdain as intellectually inferior.
The left wants society to believe that liberalism is correct and that only a narrow, blinded by fairy tales Neanderthal could oppose killing fetuses or reject same sex marriage. You assume religious fundamentalism is the basis of these moral judgments. While I can't deny that issues often play out along secular/religious lines, as an agnostic who is a cultural conservative I have a different take. IMO the left would rather shape public opinion by using strawman tactics against those they disagree with than by arguing the merits of policy.
I've seen the same bullshit duplicity with wage disputes. A generation or two ago organized labor was considered the righteous adjunct of the daily worker. Until globalization. Then it became apparent that the only workers labor truly cared about were American voting, dues paying unionists. The moral considerations of third word citizens trying to gain economic footing was not even an ethical blip. We still hear it today-PREDOMINANTLY from liberals. The rage against "outsourcing", "foreign oil" and "cheap Asian products" is nothing more than self-serving economic apartheid. Anyone who derides a Malaysian from avoiding starvation by selling me a pair of shoes is not arguing a position from moral strength.
Such are todays "cultural" issues. If same sex marriage is all about "equal protection" and any "two consenting adults" then why is incest taboo? Is a brother and sister marrying any grosser and unnatural than two guys sticking their dick in each others assholes? Woe to the cretin who dares point out the duplicity. "He opposes homo marriage. He's imposing his personal religion on us." No I'm just logically pointing out that marriage has restrictions to consenting adults other than homosexuals. How much you want to bet if these marriage amendments included incest rights they'd get trounced 80-20. The debate becomes nothing more than a pandering fraud.
The same with abortion. When Roe v Wade was ruled the accepted legal benchmark was first trimester abortions. Now 10% are in the second trimester. It's requires less parental notification for a pre-adult to get an abortion than a tattoo.
Gambling has become a national rage-state sponsored through lotteries-a negative expectation exercise that enriches a billionaire class of casino owners. Gaming advocates however want you to believe that only a Bible thumping rapture monkey could question the wisdom of wide spread legalized gambling as well as the relationship destroying insidiousness of pornography.
I'm saddened that virtually ONLY religious zealots are given media voice in opposition to these issues. It fits the goals of liberals to a tee though. Pick the opposing voices easiest to discredit.
I find myself attending mass every now and then just to keep SOLIDARITY with those who have faith. They have far more faith than me as I see the West as more spiritually corrupt and a better bet to implode than Rome.
The left wants society to believe that liberalism is correct and that only a narrow, blinded by fairy tales Neanderthal could oppose killing fetuses or reject same sex marriage. You assume religious fundamentalism is the basis of these moral judgments. While I can't deny that issues often play out along secular/religious lines, as an agnostic who is a cultural conservative I have a different take. IMO the left would rather shape public opinion by using strawman tactics against those they disagree with than by arguing the merits of policy.
I've seen the same bullshit duplicity with wage disputes. A generation or two ago organized labor was considered the righteous adjunct of the daily worker. Until globalization. Then it became apparent that the only workers labor truly cared about were American voting, dues paying unionists. The moral considerations of third word citizens trying to gain economic footing was not even an ethical blip. We still hear it today-PREDOMINANTLY from liberals. The rage against "outsourcing", "foreign oil" and "cheap Asian products" is nothing more than self-serving economic apartheid. Anyone who derides a Malaysian from avoiding starvation by selling me a pair of shoes is not arguing a position from moral strength.
Such are todays "cultural" issues. If same sex marriage is all about "equal protection" and any "two consenting adults" then why is incest taboo? Is a brother and sister marrying any grosser and unnatural than two guys sticking their dick in each others assholes? Woe to the cretin who dares point out the duplicity. "He opposes homo marriage. He's imposing his personal religion on us." No I'm just logically pointing out that marriage has restrictions to consenting adults other than homosexuals. How much you want to bet if these marriage amendments included incest rights they'd get trounced 80-20. The debate becomes nothing more than a pandering fraud.
The same with abortion. When Roe v Wade was ruled the accepted legal benchmark was first trimester abortions. Now 10% are in the second trimester. It's requires less parental notification for a pre-adult to get an abortion than a tattoo.
Gambling has become a national rage-state sponsored through lotteries-a negative expectation exercise that enriches a billionaire class of casino owners. Gaming advocates however want you to believe that only a Bible thumping rapture monkey could question the wisdom of wide spread legalized gambling as well as the relationship destroying insidiousness of pornography.
I'm saddened that virtually ONLY religious zealots are given media voice in opposition to these issues. It fits the goals of liberals to a tee though. Pick the opposing voices easiest to discredit.
I find myself attending mass every now and then just to keep SOLIDARITY with those who have faith. They have far more faith than me as I see the West as more spiritually corrupt and a better bet to implode than Rome.
Quote from traderNik:
DIfficult for many of us to believe that the Believers could possibly be so myopic.
The Christian-informed drive to remake American society 'in a manner more consistent with theistic ideals', as the latest propagandists put it, is exactly the same as what the radical Muslims want to do - impose their faith-based beliefs on the entire population. Anti-choice, anti-gay rights, anti-scientific research, anti-education (and the list goes on), the proselytizing Christians share much in common with the Mullahs who seek to rewind modern society and get us back to a time when women knew their place and the punishment for heresy was severe.
It's hard to comprehend that the Believers don't understand that we, the majority in a society which is secular in its public face, should not have to make our decisions based on the fairy-tale belief system of individuals who believe in some nebulous 'Higher Power'. Public policy, such as decisions pertaining to stem cell research, should not be influenced by the heartless, doctrinaire pronouncements of the religious right.
Why can't the Believers keep their faith and the practice of in their own homes and their places of worship?
Thankfully, in a few hundred years, all of this will seem like a bad dream, and kids in school will be taught about the efforts of the religious right in the same was a kids today are taught about the efforts of the Flat-Earthers.
I don't disdain those that are intellectually inferior, only those that are moral cowards.Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
I agree with much of your post but as usual you too are buying into the same dogma as those you disdain as intellectually inferior.
I have never said, nor do I believe, that all those who would deny a woman the right to control her own fate are religious fundamentalists. I don't care why you buy into such a cruel and heartless philosophy. The fact is that the majority of those who buy into it are Christians. The Christians aren't happy living by their own code and trying to teach their children to do the same. They want me to act according to their fairy-tales as well. If you tried to tell me that the majority of agnostics who are against abortion would tell me that my choices should be legislated according to their preferences, I would call you either an idiot or a liar. They would not. As secular people, they would say 'this is how I think. I do not think abortion is right and I will not be a party to it and I will even try to teach my kids that it is wrong. I will not, however, support a law that prevents you from making your own choices'.Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
The left wants society to believe that liberalism is correct and that only a narrow, blinded by fairy tales Neanderthal could oppose killing fetuses or reject same sex marriage. You assume religious fundamentalism is the basis of these moral judgments. While I can't deny that issues often play out along secular/religious lines, as an agnostic who is a cultural conservative I have a different take.
No argument there, I'm no fan of unions.Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
We still hear it today-PREDOMINANTLY from liberals. The rage against "outsourcing", "foreign oil" and "cheap Asian products" is nothing more than self-serving economic apartheid. Anyone who derides a Malaysian from avoiding starvation by selling me a pair of shoes is not arguing a position from moral strength..
I'm surprised that you're apparently unaware of the risks involved when a woman becomes impregnated by her brother. Is it any grosser or more unnatural? I don't know, but that's not why it's proscribed.Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Is a brother and sister marrying any grosser and unnatural than two guys sticking their dick in each others assholes? Woe to the cretin who dares point out the duplicity.
In any case, it's not the radical Christian right's opposition to gay marriage that bothers me. It's their preaching that homosexuality is somehow 'wrong' or 'immoral'. These fucking priests and preachers are the very ones who get caught with a dick in their mouths or fucking some innocent 12-year old altar boy up the ass. Give me a fucking break. My belief is that those men who are most violently opposed to homosexuality are the ones that have had a thought or two in their lifetime and, because of programming or whatever, can't deal with it and lash out the other way.
You take away the number of people opposed to homosexuality on religious grounds and those remaining opponents would fit comfortably into a San Francisco bathhouse.
Quote from Bickz:
And conveniently enough, that is exactly what you have been trying to make this about -- ONE instance, rather than the whole as I have stated.
Ha!
huh?
There are many instances of free expression of belief both for and against religion. So what?
It's not persecution or am I missing something.
A movie that a handfull of people don't like does not make it a bad movie.
Lawsuits against something does not make the filer of that lawsuit a persecutor or the defendant the persecuted.
Here is a nice essay on the Christian Persecution Complex:
"When you have Christian Persecution Complex, you see every judicial decision, every cultural change, and every constitutional challenge to the status quo of entrenched Christian superiority as a war on Christianity. They cannot see the difference between âa Christian nationâ and âa secular nation with a Christian majorityâ. Since they are the majority, they seem to think that American culture and law should bend itself to their religious beliefs. Theyâll talk about the âtyranny of the minorityâ when issues like gay marriage or school prayer are decided by the courts. "
http://atheism.about.com/b/2005/12/22/christian-persecution-complex.htm
I think this guy is on to something.
Until later, enjoy the reading and don't forget to huddle up with your persecuted friends as you all have something in common.
I assume you read this clown a lot:
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/
Seneca
Let's stone a bride to death if she is not a virgin. Don't think that works well today.
And this is an example of God's laws being better than man's law?
"Deu 22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Deu 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."
This is a subject that has become increasingly of concern to me. It has become not only acceptable but trendy on the left to attack any Christians with the temerity to venture into public life. We need only recall the attacks on Sarah Palin for her beliefs. The very same people who claimed it was racist to raise questions about Obama's pastor thought nothing of ridiculing Palin's religion.
The response from those on the left is that Christians, particularly evangelicals, are trying somehow to "impose" their views on everyone else. Most evangelicals would say they are only trying to preserve the traditional culture of the country, which is based on judeo-christian morality, from an onslaught by humanists and secuclarists.
The left also accuses Christians of "intolerance", chiefly because of the fact that all major religions consider homosexual conduct sinful. That leads to accusations of "bigotry", the worst crime in the PC codebook. There is an extremely well-funded and well- organized effort to attack, undermine and if possible destroy any organization that holds to traditional Christian/Jewish/Islamic teachings on homosexual conduct. Targets range from the Boy Scouts to the US military.
This war on religion extends to the workplace. Under the doctrines of diversity, non-discrimination or tolerance, employees are routinely forced to denounce their religious beliefs and profess acceptance of the radical homosexual agenda.
There is a cultural war going on in this country, but Christians are not the ones on the attack. They are the victims.
The response from those on the left is that Christians, particularly evangelicals, are trying somehow to "impose" their views on everyone else. Most evangelicals would say they are only trying to preserve the traditional culture of the country, which is based on judeo-christian morality, from an onslaught by humanists and secuclarists.
The left also accuses Christians of "intolerance", chiefly because of the fact that all major religions consider homosexual conduct sinful. That leads to accusations of "bigotry", the worst crime in the PC codebook. There is an extremely well-funded and well- organized effort to attack, undermine and if possible destroy any organization that holds to traditional Christian/Jewish/Islamic teachings on homosexual conduct. Targets range from the Boy Scouts to the US military.
This war on religion extends to the workplace. Under the doctrines of diversity, non-discrimination or tolerance, employees are routinely forced to denounce their religious beliefs and profess acceptance of the radical homosexual agenda.
There is a cultural war going on in this country, but Christians are not the ones on the attack. They are the victims.
Quote from Bickz:
Forgiveness does not preclude the need or rightfulness to fight. That is a common mistake among believers and unbelievers alike.
Your EGO is the one who has the "need" to be right. Your EGO is the one who thinks it has a "rightfulness" to fight. It is the EGO of believers and unbelievers alike that cause most of the pain in this world. Let go of your ego and your fixed beliefs and see what you find.... peace...
Matt 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Sadly, imho, there's no great revival around the bend, instead the parabolic spiral into depravity will continue.
Brace yourself as the lines in the sand are being drawn and the day will come when you will have to publicly chose a side. That choice, with it's persecution may cost you dearly in this life, but be of good spirit as it was foretold and must come to pass.
The more I read of the reprobate left handed posting the more i have to agree with Calvin and the basics of election.
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Sadly, imho, there's no great revival around the bend, instead the parabolic spiral into depravity will continue.
Brace yourself as the lines in the sand are being drawn and the day will come when you will have to publicly chose a side. That choice, with it's persecution may cost you dearly in this life, but be of good spirit as it was foretold and must come to pass.
The more I read of the reprobate left handed posting the more i have to agree with Calvin and the basics of election.
ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS:
Feeling attacked?
TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
Feeling attacked?
TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2008...netics_and_random_factors/UPI-70341214803366/
With some religion, homosexuality is sin. The religion believes these homosexuals choose the behavior, (choose to sin) so they try to make the homosexual person feel guilty about the sin, and change them back to heterosexual, deny them rights that other people have, persecute them. When I see 2 men or 2 women together it look very strange to me and I do not see why they are attracted to each other. I know for me I like my opposite sex, men. But that does not mean it is the only way because that is how I feel. If you read the link, you will see it becomes more apparent that homosexuality is part gene, part hormone exposure of the womb, and not a learn behavior that is a sin. This is the discovery, but some religion will refuse to see this scientific discovery as a truth, and close their eyes, continue to say it is a sin. There are sheep, fuitfly, orangutang, and other that are homosexual. If a religion believe their god who says homosexual people sin, then the people will not accept new discoveries by science. This is why religion can be hurtful. If someone use their religion to help their spirit of thier personal life, then it is good. But when the gods word make people blind to truth, it is destructive.
With some religion, homosexuality is sin. The religion believes these homosexuals choose the behavior, (choose to sin) so they try to make the homosexual person feel guilty about the sin, and change them back to heterosexual, deny them rights that other people have, persecute them. When I see 2 men or 2 women together it look very strange to me and I do not see why they are attracted to each other. I know for me I like my opposite sex, men. But that does not mean it is the only way because that is how I feel. If you read the link, you will see it becomes more apparent that homosexuality is part gene, part hormone exposure of the womb, and not a learn behavior that is a sin. This is the discovery, but some religion will refuse to see this scientific discovery as a truth, and close their eyes, continue to say it is a sin. There are sheep, fuitfly, orangutang, and other that are homosexual. If a religion believe their god who says homosexual people sin, then the people will not accept new discoveries by science. This is why religion can be hurtful. If someone use their religion to help their spirit of thier personal life, then it is good. But when the gods word make people blind to truth, it is destructive.