The War on Christianity

Quote from stu:

You support I am for not doing what you support !?

I am.. is putting forward his own version of philosophy which for one thing arbitrarily defines atheism (sounds a lot like social thumping),

Go ahead and ask Bickz yourself, whether he believes there is GoD behond the gOd which makes this world. You will find his attitude similar to yours regarding any gOd whatsoever. And you will find that you both meet on common ground: that the ground you stand on is very real indeed...to the point that it is fairly sacred to both of you.


Quote from stu:

I think that's all fine, but it still remains, you are supporting one dissembled philosophical representation over another.
In doing so, my suggestion is you make a contradiction. Supporting the very list of things you say you do not support.

You will find that my words are consistent. If you read through my last few posts, you will see that I have pretty much defined atheism before the OP made his opening comments...which reveal his current mind-set.

Atheism is a manifestation of the idea of patricide. This world arises in the mind of the Son of God as a concept which abolishes his Father. *Our Father* is currently abolished within the OP's current frame of mind. I point it out as a gift, for his benefit. If he will not accept the gift, the gift will be held for a time he is ready to accept it.


Jesus
 
Quote from seneca_roman:

So explain to me how selling your daughter as a sex slave as described in scripture good, including the historical context.

And while you are at it, answer these questions:

1.Do you believe that an old grandmother, who lived a life of caring for others, bringing joy to dozens, will be condemned to an afterlife of eternal suffering if she didn’t accept Jesus as her saviour?

2.Do you believe women are inferior to men, should remain submissive, and can never be allowed to teach men or have authority over them?

3.Do you believe homosexuals should be killed? Not just “they’re going to hell”, but actually be wiped out?

4.Do you believe that anyone who worship or believe in a God different from the Christian God should be condemned to death?

5. Do you believe slavery is OK?

6.Do you believe that there are cases in which a raped woman should be killed along with, or even instead of, the rapist?

7.Do you believe disobedient children should be killed?

8.Do you believe that, when waging war, it is proper to commit genocide, killing every man, woman and child plus animals in the enemy nation — except for, in some particular cases, female virgins, who can be taken as “spoils”?

As I am sure you know all of these are commanded in the Bible in a very clear way.

BTW-I never put out scripture in a "bad way" as I quote the Bible directly. So am I to take your comment about me putting it out in the "bad way" means that there is good and bad scripture. I thought it was all perfect and not subject to interpretation.

I full well understand the historical context, but not the rationalized versions sometimes put forth by the American Taliban to rationalize it away.

For example, why are homosexuals condemned using Leviticus 18:22 as a basis, while those casting that stone completely ignore Lev.1-21 and Lev. 23-30 as well as almost all of the other commands given in Leviticus?

Your pitiful friend in Christ and Holy Scripture may peace be upon you,

Seneca

ps-my favorite story was when I was eating in a restaurant next to a group of I assume Christians who were discussing the evils of homosexuals and how it was an abomination.

funny, they were having shrimp and lobster, ironically condemned as follows:

Leviticus 11:9-12:

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
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Sen Roman;
You ask some thoughtful tough questions,
wuill answer some of your tough ones.

1]You think maybe the Word of God is more important than a mere mortals opinion?????Frankly you dont have to call yourself a Christian to be saved-believers in Lord Jesus, in Romania are called ''repenters''

2]Do you think Ann Coulter is a woman hater, because she thinks men are better leaders, in police dept than women????Do you think men are ''inferior ''to women because men can not be mothers????? Actually i think men are inferior to women in being mothers,LOL

7]Do you believe in capital punishment???;
7b] believe in capital punishment for punks[In Israel] also?? Yes & yes.
You ever read the OT punks insulting the Hebrew prophet ,Elijah''Go up you bald head, go up you bald head!!!.

7c]He turned & cursed them in the name of the LORD;
she bears killed those kids KJV calls then ''children''

[8] Do you believe President Trueman was right to nuke Hiroshima; Sure he was right,same with Israel destroying all her enemies.God put limits on warfare, do not destroy the fruit trees, Old Testament says...

Actually I think you are right about shellfish being an abomination;
even if we are both wrong on that [probably not].
Medical DRs especially Christian & Jews can tell you how unhealthy those bottom sucker-bottopm cleaners are.

Also , are you saying God was wrong to destroy Sodom??;
and what think ye about when God destroyed everyone but Noah & family & animals???

Bottom line,God would prefer not to destroy the sodomites;Jesus healed the lepers[outcasts], & more than a few aids ridden sodomites heve been healed & saved .Are you aware of that????

Love,
murray:cool:
 
Quote from seneca_roman:

Kgarten back in session drivel spewer.

why pick one verse from Lev and ignore the rest?

Your passage is contradicted by this one:

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

"Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Clearly there are many contradictions in NT regarding which OT laws are to be obeyed.
So , getting back to Lev, why pick as the only one the passage about homosexuals and ignore all the rest.

BTW=is calling my use of scripture childish and your condescending tone a Christian thing to do, I think not and shows you to be a hypocritical ass hole.

May peace be upon you,
Seneca

Seneca,

Many of us here have long placed rcanfiel/TraderZones on ignore, because it is impossible to use reason against the willfully unreasonable. He has long demonstrated that he plays dirty and engages in personal attacks when backed in a corner.
 
Quote from murray t turtle:

Love,
murray:cool:

It's a challenge to articulate just how confused your mind is at the moment. Have you, per chance, been reading the bible or listening to a southern accent on the radio? Don't worry, this is what salvation is for. Your day will come.

Jesus
 
Quote from stu:

Iam..'s personal philosophy is as cranky as any under the name Christianity.

I'm no good until I get my morning grail. :D

Mine is a way of looking at the world that applies to all. It explains why "we" all seem to be "here", and how all may exodus what is essentially bondage and imprisonment. The exodus is slowed down somewhat by idolatry, namely, the worship of a false gOd...the product of a philosophical edifice popularized by the chief priests among Israel, and perpetuated by chief priests among Christians.

The chief priests in this thread are:

Blickz
Wallet
TraderZones/rcanfiel
murray t turtle
jem
AAAintheBeltway

This is the "Lord, Lord" crowd.

These are the equivalent to the moneychangers in the temple. They are selling sacrificial lambs to the innocent for an exhorbitant price...in the name of GoD. Selling guilt, they confuse innocence with price. By confusing innocence and guilt, they are selling out to a false gOd instead.

They have been kind enough to expose their thoughts to the light. So I have been kind enough to examine them for what they are...false...mythical...unreal...confusing...atheistic...meaningless...insignificant.

This may explain why I am being ignored by all of them. If you are not already on their ignore list, I challenge you to ask them yourself, whether they believe in God beyond the gOd which makes this world. Let us see just what kind of "believers" they really are.

"Wolves in sheeps clothing" means the outward appearance is politically correct. But if you listen to anything they say, death will devour you, lick its lips, and look for the next buyer of foolishness.

Jesus
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

This is a subject that has become increasingly of concern to me. It has become not only acceptable but trendy on the left to attack any Christians with the temerity to venture into public life. We need only recall the attacks on Sarah Palin for her beliefs. The very same people who claimed it was racist to raise questions about Obama's pastor thought nothing of ridiculing Palin's religion.

The response from those on the left is that Christians, particularly evangelicals, are trying somehow to "impose" their views on everyone else. Most evangelicals would say they are only trying to preserve the traditional culture of the country, which is based on judeo-christian morality, from an onslaught by humanists and secuclarists.

The left also accuses Christians of "intolerance", chiefly because of the fact that all major religions consider homosexual conduct sinful. That leads to accusations of "bigotry", the worst crime in the PC codebook. There is an extremely well-funded and well- organized effort to attack, undermine and if possible destroy any organization that holds to traditional Christian/Jewish/Islamic teachings on homosexual conduct. Targets range from the Boy Scouts to the US military.

This war on religion extends to the workplace. Under the doctrines of diversity, non-discrimination or tolerance, employees are routinely forced to denounce their religious beliefs and profess acceptance of the radical homosexual agenda.

There is a cultural war going on in this country, but Christians are not the ones on the attack. They are the victims.

Well said.:)
 
Quote from Arnie Guitar:

Well said.:)

I don't remember people attacking Palin over her faith. She was targeted mainly because she's an intellectual lightweight.
While I share the feeling that people of all faiths and who dare believe in a higher supreme force are systemically attacked by the ultra orthodox liberal church followers, I do not view this as a Republican- Democrat thing. Biden is a practicing Catholic and I've watched many of his interviews (secular shows, Bill Maher) where he downright aggressively defended the right of the people to believe.
 
Quote from andrasnm:

The reality is that all Teachers have a theme and Jesus’ teaching was Love and Sacrifice.
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Let me suggest that something that is pure, infinite and omniscient is "only" just that. By taking the form of matter it becomes something that it (the infinite, how can that be?) was not before...
Let me ellaborate...
There must an understanding of the Infinite and Transcendental Principle first. For something to be pure and omniscient it is required to take no carnal form or be of matter as matter by definition is finite and hence cannot be denigrated as "Godly or Divine in Form".
Conclusion
Despite the convenience of ‘do as you please as long as you confess on Sunday’ - Jesus’ death does not lift your Karma. Everybody needs to account for his/hers deeds. If you think about it - it make perfect sense. If it is too good to be true – is usually is…

Your treatise is closer to the truth, though not entirely free from the misunderstandings about me.

I am about the end of sacrifice through mercy. I do not advocate sacrifice. The crucifixion was not a sacrifice or about sacrifice. It was a demonstration...the "proof" of a thesis: the innocent mind cannot suffer. Likewise, the resurrection was the "proof" of a thesis: the Son of God cannot be destroyed.

As for the Infinite and Transcendental Principle, you are close to the truth. A man cannot actually be God, and does not symbolize God at all...nor can God become man. Man is imaginary, in the mind of the Son, symbolizing the attributes of God...antithetically...opposed to God. When the imaginary construct is layed aside, the symbol can be used to speak parables and act in parody of truthful attributes of God. Truthfully, God is life, and cannot die or be destroyed. So the bodily symbol, dedicated to the truth, would take on attributes of the truth. Such attributes would include invulnerability, lack of suffering, and an inability to "die".

It is primarily one's desire for the world...desire to be an imaginary symbol...that must "die" in order for that symbol to take on attributes of truth. That is because the world is utterly opposite truth. So that must "die" first. This is done for one's own best interest. But that best interest includes the whole world...because the whole world is the expression of a confused, self-denigrating Self.

Salvation is about returning such mind to sanity. Sane, such Being knows itself as the totality of everything real, whereas, the world expresses the totality of everything unreal. The world is a gift to self the Being gives to itself as a joke. I have called the Being, Son of God, Christ. But you could also call it Brahman. The point of laying down one's individual, imaginary will, is to clearly see the truth, live it, and pass it on to the next generation of truth seekers as the symbol of individuality makes exodus from the unreal expression of Self.

To become a "man", Self must *sacrifice* itself, unmercifully. That is why mercy is the end of man, and the return to Self. So, to "lay down your life" is not sacrifice, but mercy to your Self. If there is a sense of sacrifice involved, it won't work, and you will be unable to "lay down" the unmerciful expression of one's Self. And that is because you must always be given what you want [no sacrifice]. And if it seems a sacrifice to lay down the imaginary Self, then it means you really don't want to do it. And if you don't want to do it, then it can't be done. That is why one's desire for the world must "die" first. This is accomplished by a process of letting go. Letting go is assisted by honestly looking at the world for what it is, and what it is not. You will find that you really don't want it...that it is costing your Self dearly.

Man is a mask over the face of Self. The "awakening" is the unmasking.

Jesus
 
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