The very existence of big government is irreconcilable with personal liberty and prosperity.

You're not "welcome to leave at any time" without a passport.

Go down to the post office tomorrow without a government issued ID and apply for a passport and see what happens.

Then... go on over to DMV... explain to them you need a govt issued ID but you don't have residence... you've ran on some hard times and you're currently homeless and/or couch surfing. No utility bill in your name. Ain't that a bitch. Imagine that, you don't have a utility bill. Nothing.

Guess what Usual Name... you're shit outta luck friend. No passport for you. You're not going anywhere, you're staying right here where they want you.

You aren't free bud. Wake up.
Will a season pass to Dineyland work?
 
You're not "welcome to leave at any time" without a passport.

Go down to the post office tomorrow without a government issued ID and apply for a passport and see what happens.

Then... go on over to DMV... explain to them you need a govt issued ID but you don't have residence... you've ran on some hard times and you're currently homeless and/or couch surfing. No utility bill in your name. Ain't that a bitch. Imagine that, you don't have a utility bill. Nothing.

Guess what Usual Name... you're shit outta luck friend. No passport for you. You're not going anywhere, you're staying right here where they want you.

You aren't free bud. Wake up.


No one posting here falls into that category.

So if you are not homeless you can get a passport. Just because it may take a few days to get one if you never had one does not mean you are not free to leave. The government is not preventing anyone from leaving.
 
No one posting here falls into that category.

So if you are not homeless you can get a passport. Just because it may take a few days to get one if you never had one does not mean you are not free to leave. The government is not preventing anyone from leaving.

What Vanz is saying, I think, is that yes, the government is saying you cannot leave the country on your own, because you need the damned passport. Which is a government-issued ID.
 
What Vanz is saying, I think, is that yes, the government is saying you cannot leave the country on your own, because you need the damned passport. Which is a government-issued ID.

You dont need a passport to leave the country, you need one to enter another country. US does not check for passports when you fly out.
 
Once trust is lost in govt, as it is right now, there comes a realization that our system is broken and must be reformed. There must be a guillotine in a museum somewhere that is still functional.

Since, there is a huge number of Democrats, RINO liberals, Never Trumpers, etc. who has committed treason no less, maybe, we need military tribunals to try them all? If convicted of treason and sentenced to death, firing squads should be appropriate for all of them. In any other country, treason is a serious offense not tolerated but, dealt with expeditiously and harshly, as it should be. Where are the US patriots when you need them?
 
No one posting here falls into that category.

So if you are not homeless you can get a passport. Just because it may take a few days to get one if you never had one does not mean you are not free to leave. The government is not preventing anyone from leaving.

Maybe not for us posting here, but its a problem for a lot of people now. Digital nomads for one; folks that sell everything and take a couple years off to cruise the country in an RV. And there are a lot of Millennial's out there that don't live in their parent's basement, because their parents kicked them out or the parents are in just as bad of shape as their kids are.

Lets face it, you can't do anything without a govt ID now. And to get one of those, you need an "official" residence. You can't open a bank account, you can't see a doctor or a dentist, you can't get a PO Box, you can't get a privately run PO Box type thing... you can't even join Planet Fitness for god sake. I know all this because I know first hand a few musician types, that can't do sh*t because they go from girlfriend to girlfriend and never have a lease or bills or anything like that. They have to go to these check cashing operations to get debit cards they get ripped-off beyond belief.

I mean I know its only a small percentage of people out there, but these are real people with real lives. For them it means everything. They are no less of a person than you or I. And the thing is, these numbers are growing.. once you're homeless, its impossible to dig yourself out. Everything just snowballs. I mentioned Planet Fitness, because one cat had a Planet Fitness membership that he used to take showers in the morning. He'd use it when he traveled to gigs... sleep in the van, shower at the local PF. Worked like a champ for years. Traveled the country. Then his (out of state license expired), he couldn't get a new one because he had no address other than his girlfriend's , so when it came time to renew his Planet Fitness stuff... guess what, they wouldn't do it because his license had expired. Wtf is that about? Really? This is Planet Fitness' job... to enforce drivers licenses? Its ridiculous. I actually went to bat for the guy and sent PLNT's director of Investor Relations a scorching e-mail about it. He never got back to me.

So whatever. All these rules... and they get delegated down for compliance enforcement to idiots that have no ability to think critically and are programed as such... and as I said before... where the rubber meets the road, these rules are all ineffective and easily circumvented by the real people they were meant to stop.

Whaaaatever.
 
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You're not "welcome to leave at any time" without a passport.

Go down to the post office tomorrow without a government issued ID and apply for a passport and see what happens.

Then... go on over to DMV... explain to them you need a govt issued ID but you don't have residence... you've ran on some hard times and you're currently homeless and/or couch surfing. No utility bill in your name. Ain't that a bitch. Imagine that, you don't have a utility bill. Nothing.

Guess what Usual Name... you're shit outta luck friend. No passport for you. You're not going anywhere, you're staying right here where they want you.

You aren't free bud. Wake up.

I have to admit that I don’t know if we need a passport to leave the country but I know I need a passport to enter another country.
 
Maybe not for us posting here, but its a problem for a lot of people now. Digital nomads for one; folks that sell everything and take a couple years off to cruise the country in an RV. And there are a lot of Millennial's out there that don't live in their parent's basement, because their parents kicked them out or the parents are in just as bad of shape as their kids are.

Lets face it, you can't do anything without a govt ID now. And to get one of those, you need an "official" residence. You can't open a bank account, you can't see a doctor or a dentist, you can't get a PO Box, you can't get a privately run PO Box type thing... you can't even join Planet Fitness for god sake. I know all this because I know first hand a few musician types, that can't do sh*t because they go from girlfriend to girlfriend and never have a lease or bills or anything like that. They have to go to these check cashing operations to get debit cards they get ripped-off beyond belief.

I mean I know its only a small percentage of people out there, but these are real people with real lives. For them it means everything. They are no less of a person than you or I. And the thing is, these numbers are growing.. once you're homeless, its impossible to dig yourself out. Everything just snowballs. I mentioned Planet Fitness, because one cat had a Planet Fitness membership that he used to take showers in the morning. He'd use it when he traveled to gigs... sleep in the van, shower at the local PF. Worked like a champ for years. Traveled the country. Then his (out of state license expired), he couldn't get a new one because he had no address other than his girlfriend's , so when it came time to renew his Planet Fitness stuff... guess what, they wouldn't do it because his license had expired. Wtf is that about? Really? This is Planet Fitness' job... to enforce drivers licenses? Its ridiculous. I actually went to bat for the guy and sent PLNT's director of Investor Relations a scorching e-mail about it. He never got back to me.

So whatever. All these rules... and they get delegated down for compliance enforcement to idiots that have no ability to think critically and are programed as such... and as I said before... where the rubber meets the road, these rules are all ineffective and easily circumvented by the real people they were meant to stop.

Whaaaatever.

And soon, you won't be able to vote either
 
Maybe not for us posting here, but its a problem for a lot of people now. Digital nomads for one; folks that sell everything and take a couple years off to cruise the country in an RV. And there are a lot of Millennial's out there that don't live in their parent's basement, because their parents kicked them out or the parents are in just as bad of shape as their kids are.

Lets face it, you can't do anything without a govt ID now. And to get one of those, you need an "official" residence. You can't open a bank account, you can't see a doctor or a dentist, you can't get a PO Box, you can't get a privately run PO Box type thing... you can't even join Planet Fitness for god sake. I know all this because I know first hand a few musician types, that can't do sh*t because they go from girlfriend to girlfriend and never have a lease or bills or anything like that. They have to go to these check cashing operations to get debit cards they get ripped-off beyond belief.

I mean I know its only a small percentage of people out there, but these are real people with real lives. For them it means everything. They are no less of a person than you or I. And the thing is, these numbers are growing.. once you're homeless, its impossible to dig yourself out. Everything just snowballs. I mentioned Planet Fitness, because one cat had a Planet Fitness membership that he used to take showers in the morning. He'd use it when he traveled to gigs... sleep in the van, shower at the local PF. Worked like a champ for years. Traveled the country. Then his (out of state license expired), he couldn't get a new one because he had no address other than his girlfriend's , so when it came time to renew his Planet Fitness stuff... guess what, they wouldn't do it because his license had expired. Wtf is that about? Really? This is Planet Fitness' job... to enforce drivers licenses? Its ridiculous. I actually went to bat for the guy and sent PLNT's director of Investor Relations a scorching e-mail about it. He never got back to me.

So whatever. All these rules... and they get delegated down for compliance enforcement to idiots that have no ability to think critically and are programed as such... and as I said before... where the rubber meets the road, these rules are all ineffective and easily circumvented by the real people they were meant to stop.

Whaaaatever.


Sorry I got as far as "Maybe not for..." and then I got tired...
 
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