The US started as the Wild West

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Your English slang (fish head) can mean Chinese person or lesbian person. I am not Chinese, and I am not lesbian.

So but you are the big liar to say nitro does not talk to you in that thread. You know that too.

None of that "slang." I'm simply calling you a fish head as you're as dumb as a dead fish.

 

[trendlover]

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None of that "slang." I'm simply calling you a fish head as you're as dumb as a dead fish.

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No, I am not dumb. I see you lie in the thread.

 

[nitro]

Worth understanding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz

 

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No, I am not dumb. I see you lie in the thread.

No, you're a dumb fish head, no question.

 

[nitro]

K9s4KIDs

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101175537

 

[Ricter]

Quote from nitro:

Thing is, I really don't quite understand what is going on inside these peoples brains anyway. It can't be the killing that is what sets them off. I mean think about it, if your goal was just to kill, why not do what Timothy McVey did and drive a truck full of explosive material next to the building and detonate it? Or if that doesn't work, there are probably equally horrible ways to take hundreds of lives, not just shoot at people one-by-one. How about being a suicide bomber, just strap a bunch of explosives to yourself and go to the school and blow yourself up?

This leads to the hypotheses that this person was living out a fantasy. It was not just the killing, it was the way he was going to kill. Or perhaps one takes skill and planning and premeditation, and the other one is something goes off in your brain where you snap, you grab a weapon near by...But then why dress in fatigues?

Do you see what I am getting at? It may simply be futile to arm the staff because people can be crazy in different ways. Still, not sure...

So, are we even asking the wrong question? How much protection does a gun really provide against people we don't even understand?

Excellent questions. I think the answer to "why use a gun?" lies in our culture. The firearm is a more heroic (in the case of mass murder, anti-heroic) way to take a life than a bomb, or poison, etc. Not to mention the visceral "satisfaction" of pulling a trigger.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from jem:

With all the side effects from mental health drugs... do you think it is useful to even concern ourselves with motivation?

Should we not be examining prevention... including ideas... like once a type of drug is prescribed or prior to filling a prescription a person must turn in all registered guns to non governmental agency. Which will not give it back to a doctor gives an all clear. Or similar concepts.

Completely agree. But keep in mind that if we choose this route, then there is still a loss of freedom, and not just for the known mentally ill. In Canada, for example, just uttering a threat in a moment of anger will get your guns seized (if it's reported) for two years I think.

But if the person has been socialized in the US, and guns are easy to get, that's what they're gonna choose most of the time, regardless of any understandable motive.

 

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People want to see the world the way they want to instead of the way it is. I have a simple question: If the US is returning to the days of the Wild West era where everyone carried a gun, what were the rules of engagement back then? I mean, under what circumstances was it ok to pull out your gun and kill someone (or badly injure them) in self-defense?

The reason I ask is because I think we are heading in that direction and I wonder how our laws will need to change to accommodate everyone carrying a gun.

I am both a practical..... Or if we are in great pain, we should not feel so alone that we act out against others and instead seek their comfort and friendship. Further as a society we should not shame people for being depressed or having an illness.

But that is not the way the current world works. I was thinking then, is the answer that the faculty at schools carry side arms? If that were the case, this tragedy would have probably been on a much smaller scale. Not ideal, but it may be practical.

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Well i agree with that, mostly , Nitro;
in TX killing is permitted when in fear of life or property damage[i think]

Even , recently, state of Ill now is forced to have conceal carry law, right?????

I learned the 10 commandments of God as a kid;
10 commandments of gun safely as a kid.

Hope this helps it helped me a lot
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Well i agree with that, mostly , Nitro;
in TX killing is permitted when in fear of life or property damage[i think]
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What is fear? Maybe sometimes people feel fear from just imagination and no one really try to hurt them. Sometimes people fear from their bias and prejudice thinking so imagine threat to them. Sometimes people can kill because they want to for the revenge. Then they can tell the police they have fear for their life or they have protect their property. The dead person is can not talk for to express what happen in that time. Only the person that kill can explain. This is wrong.

 

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Quote from trendlover:

Quote from murray t turtle:

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Well i agree with that, mostly , Nitro;
in TX killing is permitted when in fear of life or property damage[i think]
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What is fear? Maybe sometimes people feel fear from just imagination and no one really try to hurt them. Sometimes people fear from their bias and prejudice thinking so imagine threat to them. Sometimes people can kill because they want to for the revenge. Then they can tell the police they have fear for their life or they have protect their property. The dead person is can not talk for to express what happen in that time. Only the person that kill can explain. This is wrong.

Would you give up the fake accent/broken "engrish" please? Wow, you're ill!