The US started as the Wild West

[pspr]

Quote from PiggyBank:

I have a better idea, why don't we just skip guns and put gps in people. Maybe even a little explosive device or tazer, so when the govt catches somewhere that you don't have a stated purpose to be, they can just turn YOU off. yea buddy, imagine how crime will drop then? WOOOOO!!!

I like this idea. Just so long as I'm the one with the control button. I've seen similar devices on Star Trek but when you push the button the people just dissappear so there isn't anything to dispose of or shock the other sheeple.

The alternative, of course, is mind control. Once we have that we can just make everyone behave the way we want. But, again, I'm only for this if I have the controls.

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from pspr:

I like this idea. Just so long as I'm the one with the control button. I've seen similar devices on Star Trek but when you push the button the people just dissappear so there isn't anything to dispose of or shock the other sheeple.

The alternative, of course, is mind control. Once we have that we can just make everyone behave the way we want. But, again, I'm only for this if I have the controls.

I already feel bad for anyone who will be living when/if that kind of tech exists. personally I'd prefer a nuclear fucking holocaust to living like that.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from nitro:

Fine! My electronicically enhanced gun will allow you to keep your illusion and the government will be quaking in its boots at the sight of you ferocious million man army with your guns. Everyone wins! Let's implement the electronics in the gun and pass laws that all guns can be turned off as explained above! But here it is in case you missed it:

I have always wondered why using the same technology that is inside a cell phone, we make guns more electronic, one payoff being that we are then able to track guns. It would then be a simple matter to control the gun near schools or anywhere for that matter. The gun would be programmed depending on your stated reason for use. The gun would be tracked by GPS. If you are a hunter, you would only be allowed to shoot it in designated hunting areas or within 100 yards of your legal property. If you are a recreational user, you would only be able to shoot it in shooting ranges or within 100 yards of your legal propterty boundary, mostly near your home. If you are a police officer, there would be no restriction. If you were near a school and posses a weapon, no matter who you are the school would be notified that a gun is entering its surrounding space. If you are a second ammenment rights designated user, you would have no restriction except near schools.

Anyone that wanted could also purchase a device that would tell them when someone was armed within 50 yards of them. The only place the gun would be shielded from the detection device was if the gun was in the gun owners property. Outside your own legal real estate or address on record, the gun would be seen by the electronic device by anyone.

Etc.

No doubt your plan is well intentioned, but like so many plans today, does not address the real problem. That being, crazy violent people killing innocent victims. Short of implanting a explosive chip in everyones head that goes off as it senses a muderous violent incident about to occur, you won't stop the killers from killing. People are very resourceful and will always find a way to kill their victims. They'll do it with or without a gun, and they'll continue to do it in large numbers.
We live in a culture that fosters violence, and then finds excuses for those committing the act. A recipe for disaster.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

No doubt your plan is well intentioned, but like so many plans today, does not address the real problem. That being, crazy violent people killing innocent victims. Short of implanting a explosive chip in everyones head that goes off as it senses a muderous violent incident about to occur, you won't stop the killers from killing. People are very resourceful and will always find a way to kill their victims. They'll do it with or without a gun, and they'll continue to do it in large numbers.
We live in a culture that fosters violence, and then finds excuses for those committing the act. A recipe for disaster.

If the kill rate is the same for gun and no-gun scenarios, then why does the military use guns?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from Ricter:

If the kill rate is the same for gun and no-gun scenarios, then why does the military use guns?

Efficiency. Something the deranged killer need not concern himself with. How many guns did McVeigh use?

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

Efficiency. Something the deranged killer need not concern himself with. How many guns did McVeigh use?

yea really.. how many guns were used for 9/11 ricter? Quickly killing huge amounts of people is not best done by gun, and certainly doesn't require one.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from nitro:

No. Read carefully. If you designated yourself as a second amendment revolutionary, the gun could be used anywhere without it being able to be turned off, EXCEPT near a school, say within 30 yards of a school. The gun turns itself off since the GPS would tell the internal electronics where it is. There is no big brother making the decision at any point. Only in the passing of the law that all guns would have to have GPS and the firing mechanism would be controlled electroncally, and that everyone has to designate themselves when buying a gun.

Breaking (hacking) into the electronic mechanism of the gun is possible, but it would be as hard as breaking a secure communication channel (for all practical purposes impossible). The math behind it is solid.


It is a very straightforward thing. There is no government involved, only matching of designations of yourself, and physical boundaries of where the gun is as pinpointed by GPS.

So I'll just get a transmitter to spoof an "allowed " GPS location signal.


The temptation of govt to just turn all weapons off would be too great.

hey I'm all for govt handicapping themselves with guns that turn themselves off.

Jam their signal and massacre them all, whoo hoo wouldn't that be a hoot?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from PiggyBank:

yea really.. how many guns were used for 9/11 ricter? Quickly killing huge amounts of people is not best done by gun, and certainly doesn't require one.

The implied argument is that there would be just any many people mass murdered per unit time, even if there were fewer assault style weapons available, because imminent mass murderers would just create big bombs instead. I do not believe that.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Ricter:

....I do not believe that.

So? You refusing to believe reality doesn't change reality dumb ass. Only your perception of it.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from LEAPup:

Have a nice weekend fish head.

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Your English slang (fish head) can mean Chinese person or lesbian person. I am not Chinese, and I am not lesbian.

So but you are the big liar to say nitro does not talk to you in that thread. You know that too.