The US Labor Force: One Foot in the Third World

Quote from ptunic:

Ok, how do you explain the unbelievable success of Hong Kong the last 40 years? They have roughly the same standard of living as the US (about 20 times better than China), and they have had free trade for a very long time. They have been FAR more exposed to outsourcing, trade, etc with China, being as they border with it (well are part of it now of course).

-Taric

I think Hong Kong would an excellent model if say, Seattle, were to become an independent country. I'm not sure its unique attributes however can be scaled up to the size of our country. Certainly they have polciies, like their tax system, that we could profitably emulate. Much of their success however can be explained by sweatshop labor that would not be tolerated here or by the need for companies to have a base for mainland chinese operations. And a population of incredibly entreprenurial people.
 
Quote from ptunic:

Ok, how do you explain the unbelievable success of Hong Kong the last 40 years? They have roughly the same standard of living as the US (about 20 times better than China), and they have had free trade for a very long time. They have been FAR more exposed to outsourcing, trade, etc with China, being as they border with it (well are part of it now of course).

-Taric
Hong Kong most of the time has been on the receiving end of outsourcing unlike America. Hong Kong runs trade surpluses while America runs huge trade deficits.

It's a small country (7mln people) with no superpower ambitions, one or two industries that can't be outsourced are enough to sustain their standard of living and that's exactly what they have - they provide regional financial, insurance, travel and OUTSOURCING services. None of that is applicable to America.
 
Quote from dddooo:

Hong Kong most of the time has been on the receiving end of the outsourcing unlike America. Hong Kong runs trade surpluses while America runs huge trade deficits.

It's a small country (7mln people) with no superpower ambitions, one or two industries that can't be outsourced are enough to sustain their standard of living and that's exactly what they have - they provide regional financial, insurance, travel and OUTSOURCING services. None of that is applicable to America.


We spend on tanks and wars they spend on public education and healthcare.

Gosh, I wonder who will come out ahead in the long run.
 
Quote from mhashe:

We spend on tanks and wars they spend on public education and healthcare.

Gosh, I wonder who will come out ahead in the long run.

We'll come out ahead of course.
I don't see how their math, physics, chemistry skills and even perfect health can possibly save them from a well-aimed bunker buster bomb.

:D :D :D
 
Quote from dddooo:

We'll come out ahead of course.
I don't see how their math, physics, chemistry skills and even perfect health can possibly save them from a well-aimed bunker buster bomb.

:D :D :D

Tongue in cheek, but there is a point in there.

When in doubt... start a war.
 
I'd like to pay $2.25 for a pair of no-name tennis shoes at Wal-Mart, and put them on my 6 year old - who grows out of them anyway. Protectionists, I think, miss the value of the retained income that's not spent on shoes. We're all richer. I know that shoe is out there, and that price is out there for me, but some social-engineer-genius gets in the middle of the transaction.

As far as what jobs we'll have, how much of our economy is entertainment and leisure? 15%? Within my lifetime (baby boomer), we've wondered what we'd do when all of our fine textiles and cars (Gremlins, Pacers) were made in Japan. If you told a person in 1964 that we'd make up for it in services, entertainment and leisure, he'd probably throw his monkey wrench at you. But here we are, the richest country in the world. And our prosperity is due, by and large, to innovation, and "pushing the ball up the field." Our prosperity has not come from protectionism, and therefore does not rely on it.
 
Quote from wilburbear:

But here we are, the richest country in the world. And our prosperity is due, by and large, to innovation, and "pushing the ball up the field." Our prosperity has not come from protectionism, and therefore does not rely on it.


while I can appreciate the part about the $2 tennis shoes... :D

....you're simply quite incorrect in the part quoted above.

Our so-called "prosperity" is due to DEBT man...DEBT DEBT DEBT....and ever-more DEBT !

like....about 100 TRILLION worth of DEBT.

In other words, we haven't PAID for any of this 'prosperity'....and the REALITY is that we are NOT a prosperous country. In no way are the "the richest country in the world". In fact, we are THE number-one debtor nation now. All in the past 40 yrs too.

Further, the things you mention as our "strengths" are the very things which are most easily outsourced! None of that "innovation" is unique to the US.

Stem cells? Russia

High-speed trains? Europe and Japan

Electronics design? Asia

Software? India and Russia

Financial and backoffice? ANYWHERE

etc. etc..
 
Quote from wilburbear:

Why should anyone be able to force a consumer to buy a good or service more expensively than the consumer can get it elsewhere? ...............

That system used to exist. It's called Communism. :)
 
Oh, AAA, you defeatist. This is all turning out exactly as it should. We will have a few global plutocrats who are rich beyond imagining and everyone else can go to hell. These people feel no loyalty to anything but their own dynasty. Patriotism, like religion, is designed to keep the masses under control.

It's hard to find reasons to feel patriotic these days, if you do more than just swallow the swill spewed out by our politicians and media.

We see most of these issues from opposite sides. You just happen to be wrong.

m

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Clearly our trade authorities must redouble their efforts to lower trade barriers to trade in entertainment. I have enormous faith in the ability of our entertainment industry to destroy the educational aspsirations of Chinese and Indian youth, just as they have done to our own. Congress should also look into setting up a foundation to export liberalism to these countries. Certainly we know of no greater force to destroy the competitiveness of the industrial sector and undermine education, family values and the rule of law.
 
Quote from dddooo:


As far as being leftist propaganda:
"Paul Craig Roberts has held a number of academic appointments and has contributed to numerous scholarly publications. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. His graduate economics education was at the University of Virginia, the University of California at Berkeley, and Oxford University. "

By neocon standards, he's a damned leftist, just like Paul O'Neill and anyone else who points out that our emperor has no clothes.

m
 
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