Quote from BSAM:
Hmmmm......Let me see......Saddam Hussein invaded and decimated Kuwait, violated the terms for the end of the 1991 war for twelve years while trying to kill our pilots enforcing the no-fly zone. Mostly refused to cooperate with the WMD inspectors for twelve years. Not to mention all of his countrymen he killed and tortured all along. Hmmmmm.......I'm just NOT having such a hard time deciding who the bad guys are here.
You're right.....History does repeat itself, particularly when you ignore its lessons. Too bad poor ol' Saddam didn't understand that cliche.
BSAM... um... lemme interject something here while I am waiting for EUR/USD to fall into my favor...
I think the author of this thread does not question our high American values that are just and right no doubt about it, what our president is trying to do in Iraq is for the good of the majority of Iraqis and for America.
Peace, freedom, democracy, etc., is NOT being called into question here, neither are the goals of the coalition: It's all good.
HOWEVER.... Bush's vision of changing the Middle East by changing the structure of Iraq and its people... IS A PIPE DREAM - read my lips - IT WILL
NEVER HAPPEN.
It's kind of like taking a guy like me, 1/2 Sicilian and 1/2 American Indian, see... putting me in a room with a gorgeous naked Italian girl... and EXPECTING me NOT to get A HARD ON and want to **** HER. It'll NEVER happen.
Get it now?
*reaches over and clicks a trade closed in profit*
Our ideals and standards are fine - nothing wrong there. It is the way we are going in and killing these people's FAMILY MEMBERS that is out of line and throwing this whole thing out of balance.
The insurgents WIN if they can just drag this thing on. The world will NOT allow blood to flow for years and years with this getting nowhere.
Eventually, and that may be soon, the UN will step in and say to the US, "Bye bye - your way is not working. You're out of here, morons!"
Yes, WE see them as "EVIL" - in need of extermination so the rest of the world can live without terrorists, and extremist countries. But THEY see them as their mothers, sisters, brothers, fathers and children!
Therefore, "the plan" IS NOT WORKING. We may be better off NOT using force at this point. Kind of acquiesce and defer to the way of PEACE for a bit so that the Iraqis have time to chill out and cool down. Give them some time to make an adjustment.
There is no immediate threat to the American people by the Iraqis now. We got Saddam out of there. There are some religious whackjobs/militant groups is all. They are more of a threat to the Iraqis than to us. But people have a way of sorting things out among their own tribes so to speak.
If it were not so we all would have been extinct long ago at our own hands.
Look, we can
always go in and give them daisy cutter therapy. We can "WIN" this war any time we want to, and in about 6 minutes of massive firepower. We could make the place a hole in the ground if we wanted to. That is not what needs to happen at this point.
The *cooperation* factor is at jeopardy. The more ill will we breed among these people, the worse the situation will grow.
We can tell them, look, we are not meaning to kill ANY of your family members. Here is our goal, to help Iraq be a better society. Those among you who terrorize you - we can take them out FOR you so your families can LIVE in
peace and freedom! Let them see for themselves who the good and bad guys are. You will have 95% of the PEOPLE there want our troops to come in to surgically remove the ones who are harming them and their families. We can come back as friends to the Iraqi masses, not as a huge question mark.
In order to stop this thing from BACKFIRING on us, we may need to GET OUT of Iraq
for 90 days making our intentions clear beforehand because we want to STOP their emotional suffering and mental anguish that WE ARE CAUSING.
They are already numb to our bullets and bombs they are probably hurting so much due to family members being killed at this point they could care LESS about more deaths - they just want to DESTROY THE DESTROYERS.
Set our troops in a bordering country on IDLE. Give the Iraqis time to SORT THINGS OUT and think it over, bury their dead and go through their grieving period.
TREAT THEM LIKE GOD DAMN HUMAN BEINGS for once! NOT the way we been treating them "IN THE NAME OF WHOSEVER FRIGGEN 'JESUS'" GOD OF
PEACE.
Not like BEASTS who need to be dealt with at the end of canons and bomb dropping jets and Apache helicopters.
If we want THEM to treat US and the rest of the world the way THEY want to be treated we need to USE some diplomacy at this time is all I am saying. We're not going to be able to turn over power to the Iraqis in June at this rate of bad blood forming. Anything the US puts in place will be literally torn down by them.
Now we got a guy who is considered by many to be a religious leader of the Shi'ites, who inhabit 60% of the 25 million Iraqi citizens with a warrant out for his arrest issued by one of the (presumably) post Saddam judges who will probably be assassinated within a week.
He's held up in a religious structure that has great meaning in the Islamic religion, a mosque, in a "sit in" with his followers - armed to defend themselves in case of attack.
It is given to the US troops and allies to serve the warrant... by wading through the midst of "10's of 1000s" of his supporters....
Good luck with that.
gsr
