The Ugly Face Of Dementia

[AAAintheBeltway]

In addition, Levin castigated Republicans in Congress for focusing their attention on Trump and Attorney General Sessions rather than Obama.

This is the sort of thing democrats would never do. They would never ever criticize a sitting president of their own party. They understand their role is to defend him. Al Gore could have been president if he had publicly stated what he surely believed, that Bill Clinton should resign for disgracing the office. Instead he pretended to support Clinton and congressional democrats took their cue from him and circled the wagons.

Trump has to combat three opposition parties, democrats, republicans and media. Not to mention the entire federal government and federal judiciary.

 

[Max E.]

Are you kidding me? did you even read your own BBC article, its basically a text book lesson in left wing propaganda, they repeatedly throw out allegations and then just say, "well we cant prove this" or Trump denied this, but they dont only throw the allegations out, they do everything they can to try to prove them, right before they throw out a disclaimer that gets them off the hook, at the end they throw one line like "Trump denies these allegations"

One of the alegations is not only based on an anonymous source, but its based on something an ANONYMOUS SOURCE HEARD FROM SOMEONE ELSE who he is leaving anonymous.

"Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Well thats fucking brilliant reporting, "I heard someone say that someone else said this"

Lets put that in print!

I cant believe you would actually believe an article like that makes the BBC look like a bipartisan news service, lol. Especially given the fact that just about everything written in that article has now been thoroughhly debunked.


The claims of Russian kompromat on Mr Trump were "credible", the CIA believed. That is why - according to the New York Times and Washington Post - these claims ended up on President Barack Obama's desk last week, a briefing document also given to Congressional leaders and to Mr Trump himself.

I understand the CIA believes it is credible that the Kremlin has such kompromat - or compromising material - on the next US commander in chief. At the same time a joint taskforce, which includes the CIA and the FBI, has been investigating allegations that the Russians may have sent money to Mr Trump's organisation or his election campaign.


And the former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".

 

[Cuddles]

Are you kidding me? did you even read your own BBC article, its basically a text book lesson in left wing propaganda, they repeatedly throw out allegations and then just say, "well we cant prove this" or Trump denied this, but they dont only throw the allegations out, they do everything they can to try to prove them, right before they throw out a disclaimer that gets them off the hook, at the end they throw one line like "Trump denies these allegations"

One of the alegations is not only based on an anonymous source, but its based on something an ANONYMOUS SOURCE HEARD FROM SOMEONE ELSE who he is leaving anonymous.

"Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Well thats fucking brilliant reporting, "I heard someone say that someone else said this"

Lets put that in print!

I cant believe you would actually believe an article like that makes the BBC look like a bipartisan news service, lol. Especially given the fact that just about everything written in that article has now been thoroughhly debunked.


The claims of Russian kompromat on Mr Trump were "credible", the CIA believed. That is why - according to the New York Times and Washington Post - these claims ended up on President Barack Obama's desk last week, a briefing document also given to Congressional leaders and to Mr Trump himself.

I understand the CIA believes it is credible that the Kremlin has such kompromat - or compromising material - on the next US commander in chief. At the same time a joint taskforce, which includes the CIA and the FBI, has been investigating allegations that the Russians may have sent money to Mr Trump's organisation or his election campaign.


And the former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".

What do you want me to say? I can tell the difference between unproven allegations and falsehoods reported as fact (the claim you made that these news outlet were reporting the tapping as fact). None of what you highlighted has a political slant, as much as it hurts the white houe. Is it unfortunate and/or unethical to publish without a named source? Sure, but Trump hasn't exactly been kind to his opponents.

Also, don't move the goal post, we were talking about the Obama taps, not the sexual attache.

 

[Max E.]

IMO based on people i Trust like Jake Tapper, there appears to be inpropriety in releasing Michael Flynn's name, thats about it so far. The FBI is supposed to call Americans stuff like "person #1" If Americans inadvertantly end up on wire taps, so it was pretty clearly a violation of protocol, but thats a nothing burger.

What should be of concern is the CIA and NSA stonewalling the requests from the House Intelligence Committee on clearing this up. I guess we'll hear it from Comey himself on Monday.

 

[Cuddles]

IMO based on people i Trust like Jake Tapper, there appears to be inpropriety in releasing Michael Flynn's name, thats about it so far. The FBI is supposed to call Americans stuff like "person #1" If Americans inadvertantly end up on wire taps, so it was pretty clearly a violation of protocol, but thats a nothing burger.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Flynn/ambassador connection came to be disclosed w/o an existing request from DOJ. Everything I read puts the guy in a bad light. It could go in different ways; either the white house throws him to the wolves to keep things from escalating, the DOJ effed up protocol and he gets off on a technicality, Comey offers a deal and things get real interesting, or conspiracy theorist in me says Comey keeps delaying the hearing to see what the white house offers him to sweep it under the rug. Or it all fizzles out as a nothing burger (which only makes that last conspiracy bit get my tinfoil hat).

 

[Max E.]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Flynn/ambassador connection came to be disclosed w/o an existing request from DOJ. Everything I read puts the guy in a bad light. It could go in different ways; either the white house throws him to the wolves to keep things from escalating, the DOJ effed up protocol and he gets off on a technicality, Comey offers a deal and things get real interesting, or conspiracy theorist in me says Comey keeps delaying the hearing to see what the white house offers him to sweep it under the rug. Or it all fizzles out as a nothing burger (which only makes that last conspiracy bit get my tinfoil hat).

Yeah admittedly i let my bias cloud my judgement at first, i thought the info coming out on Flynn was a witch hunt, but the more that comes out about him, the more it is becoming obvious he was a scumbag who was trying to have his cake and eat it too, and trying to benefit off a position close to Trump. Im happy hes gone.

With that said it will be interesting what comes out of this about the FBI cause it appears there are scumbags there too.

I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but i think that Comey and the FBI are blocking something that will end up with egg on there faces on this one, I keep hearing non speak, and blocking like you said from them, so it just sets my bullshit detector off.

But like i said before this side of the story is a nothing burger, it infact is probably one of the few issues we can all come to agreement on which is that these shady government agencies like the FBI, and the NSA seem to have a bunch of cowboys in their operations who answer to no one, and seem to have far too much power, with very little oversight. They are like a private country operating inside of the country, and their loyalty clearly lies on the side of "their own country" Its sketchy imo having government agencies operating like that.

 

[Cuddles]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Flynn/ambassador connection came to be disclosed w/o an existing request from DOJ. Everything I read puts the guy in a bad light. It could go in different ways; either the white house throws him to the wolves to keep things from escalating, the DOJ effed up protocol and he gets off on a technicality, Comey offers a deal and things get real interesting, or conspiracy theorist in me says Comey keeps delaying the hearing to see what the white house offers him to sweep it under the rug. Or it all fizzles out as a nothing burger (which only makes that last conspiracy bit get my tinfoil hat).

ruh, roh...
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/25/d...ith-the-fbi-cnn-analyst-claims-he-might-have/

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/cn...rned-on-trump-and-become-witness-for-the-fbi/

mostly speculative reporting now....we'll see if it pans out.

 

[Cuddles]

Yeah admittedly i let my bias cloud my judgement at first, i thought the info coming out on Flynn was a witch hunt, but the more that comes out about him, the more it is becoming obvious he was a scumbag who was trying to have his cake and eat it too, and trying to benefit off a position close to Trump. Im happy hes gone.

With that said it will be interesting what comes out of this about the FBI cause it appears there are scumbags there too.

I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but i think that Comey and the FBI are blocking something that will end up with egg on there faces on this one, I keep hearing non speak, and blocking like you said from them, so it just sets my bullshit detector off.

But like i said before this side of the story is a nothing burger, it infact is probably one of the few issues we can all come to agreement on which is that these shady government agencies like the FBI, and the NSA seem to have a bunch of cowboys in their operations who answer to no one, and seem to have far too much power, with very little oversight. They are like a private country operating inside of the country, and their loyalty clearly lies on the side of "their own country" Its sketchy imo having government agencies operating like that.

I'm not sure I agree w/all this. Yes, there are clear cases of abuse and the judicial jumping the gun, but I believe in them being independent and not beholden to the other branches, especially the executive. Checks and balances and all that. I'm not entirely sure if the legislative checks on the Judicial, but I don't see why an investigation has to be compromised because the electorate is unhappy they're going after their guys.