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The U.S. should setup some puppet government somewhere to flight terrorism
- Thread starter The Kin2
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Quote from originalskunk:
Been there, done that. It will never work. Does nobody remember the Iran-Contra scandal? The USA tried this with Iraq/Iran in the 1980s, claiming to support Saddumb while giving weapons and intelligence to Iran. How well did that end up? Two decades later another generation is being forced to clean up the mess.
Maybe the USA should just stop interfering in other countries and just trade with the unfortunate people that happen to have been born above "our oil".
Are you one of those computer engineers who couldn't find a better job in Iran (there are no jobs in iran anyways) other than to get paid by their intelligence agency (vezarete ettelaat, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Intelligence_(Iran)) for posting anti-american articles ... and how americans used chemical weapons to fuck the iranian soldier's fucking slutty lungs in the iran-iraq war.
Even though it was not a total win ... it was a win ... we sent both of those fucking cheap countries and their bitch ass people some 30 years back in time ... we fucked their economy ... we fucked their pathetic lives ... we made their rich bitches flee to America and invest their money here ... we made their fags rob their banks and national wealth and carry it with them to our country ... we fucked their plans ... we fucked their souls ... and fucked their brains ... what better than that ... and we are going to do it again and again ... no one fucking ass even that fucking fag god is going to stop us ... their worthless souls are ours to play with ... how do you see that a failure? or are you just plain stupid? ...
THE WEAK ARE OURS TO FUCK AND FUCK HARDER.
Nah, it is the "our shit don't stink" and they have no right to hate our dumping wherever we want.
Sort of reminds me of the following post, which is typikkkal of certain mindset that expects those who are dominated to just take it up the hindquarters without complaining....
"Rearden Metal
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 4608
07-06-07 11:17 PM
I think your people need to realize that you're up against an army much stronger than anything you can put together. Lick your wounds and do what the American Indians did: Realize you've been beaten, quit fighting and Israel will quit fighting back. Then peacefully salvage whatever you can. Open some casinos too, if you'd like.
Terrorism is a political tool used by people with a political agenda, and it is the only tool that those who don't have the "stronger army."
It is much easier for the average American to just hate the Arabs for our oil dependency, and hate them for their religion, rather than explore with a vertical intellect what are the genuine political issues at hand that have given rise to terrorism as a weapon of the "weaker army."
Sort of reminds me of the following post, which is typikkkal of certain mindset that expects those who are dominated to just take it up the hindquarters without complaining....
"Rearden Metal
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 4608
07-06-07 11:17 PM
Quote from WAEL012000:
What about occupation Rearden?? Home demolation? land anaxation??? economic stranglation??What about settlers???
I think your people need to realize that you're up against an army much stronger than anything you can put together. Lick your wounds and do what the American Indians did: Realize you've been beaten, quit fighting and Israel will quit fighting back. Then peacefully salvage whatever you can. Open some casinos too, if you'd like.
Terrorism is a political tool used by people with a political agenda, and it is the only tool that those who don't have the "stronger army."
It is much easier for the average American to just hate the Arabs for our oil dependency, and hate them for their religion, rather than explore with a vertical intellect what are the genuine political issues at hand that have given rise to terrorism as a weapon of the "weaker army."
Quote from ratboy88:
we are right back to the "why do they hate us" argument.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Terrorism is a political tool used by people with a political agenda, and it is the only tool that those who don't have the "stronger army."
It is much easier for the average American to just hate the Arabs for our oil dependency, and hate them for their religion, rather than explore with a vertical intellect what are the genuine political issues at hand that have given rise to terrorism as a weapon of the "weaker army."
Vapid. Berkeley type relativist bs.
If America and Israel vanished into thin air, Sunni's and Shia' would still be killing each other in Baghdad. Darfur would still be a slaughterhouse. Pakistan militants would still be trying to kill Musharef.
You're argument is that of the typical ugly american who thinks of global events in terms of me, me, me. Just because a struggle isn't on your Huffington Post radar doesn't mean it's not there. You're great for deriding red herrings. Well the effects of both the U.S./Israel on Islamic relations is a massive Red Herring.
You would care if they were killing each other?
LOL!
Move Israel to Montana, let's see what happens...let's stop buying their oil...let's see what happens, let's stop propping up governments because we "need" the oil from the region and we have some irrational need to buy into the guilt driven Israeli policy...
Your argument is the typical classic American jackboot flag waver, who thinks might makes right as long as we are the mighty (but it doesn't stop terrorism, it only fosters it)...so David flew some planes into a couple of Goliath's buildings, and Goliath got so scared he is now needing to "prove" to everyone how tough he is...
By evoking the religious aspect of it, it plays on primal irrational emotions of the exact same type that is fueling terrorism itself as the chief politicians posing as religious leaders manipulate the thinking and emotions of those who for whatever reason hold anger in their hearts.
We couldn't have handled it in a worse manner, and now Iraq and its oil is Pandora's box...if we leave Iraq, imagine the free for all for control of the oil...it is a nightmare scenario for any possible peace in that region, and the religious nuts in this country are egging it on because they hold some fantasy of the coming "rapture" in which of course, they are saved, even though their hearts are filled with greed, materialism, and hatred...
The pure hubris and stupidity of the neokons and knee jerk reactions plays into the hands of the political nature of this conflict.
Wait, just wait until we see cells here at home in which waspy types have been recruited and a blond blue eyed terrorist slams into some mall screaming Jesus saves the Muslims too....and then when we eventually have a dirty bomb (which will happen in all likelihood) and the whole thing goes nuclear.
That is the kind of future you klannish dream about, where we get to push buttons and watch on video tape as millions die needlessly...
LOL!
Move Israel to Montana, let's see what happens...let's stop buying their oil...let's see what happens, let's stop propping up governments because we "need" the oil from the region and we have some irrational need to buy into the guilt driven Israeli policy...
Your argument is the typical classic American jackboot flag waver, who thinks might makes right as long as we are the mighty (but it doesn't stop terrorism, it only fosters it)...so David flew some planes into a couple of Goliath's buildings, and Goliath got so scared he is now needing to "prove" to everyone how tough he is...
By evoking the religious aspect of it, it plays on primal irrational emotions of the exact same type that is fueling terrorism itself as the chief politicians posing as religious leaders manipulate the thinking and emotions of those who for whatever reason hold anger in their hearts.
We couldn't have handled it in a worse manner, and now Iraq and its oil is Pandora's box...if we leave Iraq, imagine the free for all for control of the oil...it is a nightmare scenario for any possible peace in that region, and the religious nuts in this country are egging it on because they hold some fantasy of the coming "rapture" in which of course, they are saved, even though their hearts are filled with greed, materialism, and hatred...
The pure hubris and stupidity of the neokons and knee jerk reactions plays into the hands of the political nature of this conflict.
Wait, just wait until we see cells here at home in which waspy types have been recruited and a blond blue eyed terrorist slams into some mall screaming Jesus saves the Muslims too....and then when we eventually have a dirty bomb (which will happen in all likelihood) and the whole thing goes nuclear.
That is the kind of future you klannish dream about, where we get to push buttons and watch on video tape as millions die needlessly...
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Vapid. Berkeley type relativist bs.
If America and Israel vanished into thin air, Sunni's and Shia' would still be killing each other in Baghdad. Darfur would still be a slaughterhouse. Pakistan militants would still be trying to kill Musharef.
You're argument is that of the typical ugly american who thinks of global events in terms of me, me, me. Just because a struggle isn't on your Huffington Post radar doesn't mean it's not there. You're great for deriding red herrings. Well the effects of both the U.S./Israel on Islamic relations is a massive Red Herring.
Quote from The Kin2:
I might goto hell for saying this but Islamic Extremists are really starting to piss me off. I saw the U.S. should prop up a puppet government somewhere in the middle east. And a Hitler-like figure could keep The Religion of Peace in check.
Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb? This country could then teach Iran a lesson and blow the shit out of Tehran. World outrage, yes? But this country could be powerful enough to tell the rest of the world to shove it.
I guess Israel is the closes to my dream, but I mean the leader would have to be someone with real balls. Someone so bad that will play by the terrorists games. Instead of people fearing terrorism. the terrorists would be scared shitless by the country.
The U.S. should have never invaded Iraq. It simply should have given Iraq and Saddam the resources needed to wipe Iran off the map.
You have been there and done that! How easily you guys forget.
Remember the war between Iraq and Iran? You remember how you armed Saddam to cripple the new Khaminey regime?? You remember how you aided both parties with satellite images of both of their military installations?? Remember the contra affair? No?? Ok then, you remember how you supplied Saadam with chemical and germ weapons to use against the Iranians???
What happened afterward I wonder. Both parties became armed to the teeth with seasoned fighters who have already tasted blood. The same Iraqi fighters who dissolved into the Iraqi resistance and wasted 3500+ of your soldiers.
Prior to that, you remember how you overthrow a democratically elected government and brought back the Shah with his Savak who melted 10s of thousands in acid? What happened afterward???
Yesiri...Khaminey and his regime! The same regime that you are about to launch a war against as we speak???
Why am I wasting my time. You guys are nothing but a big herd with a short memory span.
Tell you what, and remember my words if you ever manage to break away from the short memory problem you guys suffer from.
You are finished from the Middle East. There is nothing that you will do to change that. The Middle East is now different than the Middle East pre-1967. You got few corrupted regimes, backed by you, who are isolated by their own people in their own islands.
The Middle East is on the verge of explosion. your poppets, including Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian authority, are viewed as such...American puppets.
Should the shit hit the fan between you and the devil....WE WILL TAKE THE SIDE OF THE DEVIL!
Do you guys get what I am saying?? It is too late for you and I to bridge the gab, thanks to your neocons and zionist. This region has seen your like come and go and we have developed a thick skin that can weather whatever you could lay on us.
You killed 100s of thousands of Iraqis. They did not submit and will never submit.
It is finished! you will quit Iraq, Iraq will export its experience and its fighters to the rest of the Arab world. And you know what is so hilarious?? it is me who is going to be mowed first!
The camps have been defined! You are either with us or you are with the US and Israel.
The Russians figured that it out and out smarted you on this one. They will teach you the same lesson you taught them in Afghanistan. And you are bearing the fruits of the first chapter in that lesson.
They have armed Iran with enough weapons and technology to make it extremely painful for you. The Iranian also extended their line of credit to the Syrians who are now armed to the teeth and know that if they do not fight to the last man, their destiny will be the same as Iraq.
Both parties have military alliance between them and the moment you fire the first bullet, it will rain hell!!
What is even funnier is that Israel also figured that out also!!! During the last war with Hizbullah, which Israel was humiliated in, Olmert went out of his way FOUR times to assure Syria that he is not about to start a war with it. Why??? Go ask Olmert why he kept on sending this message to Syria!!!
Islam??? Fuck you! Has nothing with that stupid religion! It has to do with the fact that everywhere you went, you left a path of destruction and pain!
No one will take that hands down....Not this time...Not anymore!!!
It is too late...It is finished!!! You had many opportunities to rectify the situation by forcing Israel to settle the occupied territories. You didn't. Instead, you supplied Israel with whatever in your arsenal and more. You refused to allow Israel to call for a cease fire with Hizbullah even though Olmert begged you! And the Arab world watched in shock and anger!!!
The camps have been divided and the people know that they will die anyway so they might as well die fighting.
One last thing, it is very clear that the intention of this administration is to start a war with Iran before they close shop. Their intention is to pin the subsiquent adminsitration in a war that it cannot get out of.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Vapid. Berkeley type relativist bs.
If America and Israel vanished into thin air, Sunni's and Shia' would still be killing each other in Baghdad. Darfur would still be a slaughterhouse. Pakistan militants would still be trying to kill Musharef.
How stupid and naive you are Pabst??? How long have the Shia and Sunni been living together in the Region??? neighborhoods? Going to the same schools and workplaces??? Way before your country declared independence.
And you have the audacity to talk about Baghdad??? Out of all places??? Baghdad, prior to your arrival, had less crimes than some of your suburbs, never mind terrorism!
Sudan??? Sudan is tribal and they will always kill each other.
Pakistan??? These are your babies...Baby!!! These are the same seasoned killers you used to call Mujahdeen and freedom fighters during your proxy war with the Soviet Union.
You're argument is that of the typical ugly american who thinks of global events in terms of me, me, me. Just because a struggle isn't on your Huffington Post radar doesn't mean it's not there. You're great for deriding red herrings. Well the effects of both the U.S./Israel on Islamic relations is a massive Red Herring.
Ohhhhhhhhh how touching!!! You care about global events??? How many democratically elected governments did you overthrow Pabst??? how many nations did you devastate???
Massive red hearing???
Khahahahahahahahahaha
Listen to this;
Pabst: Hey Wael...I am against occupation! To prove it...I am going to fight against Saddam to get him out of Kuwait! The Kuwaiti people deserve to live free and liberate their own state from Iraq.
Wael: Great!!!!! But when you are done, can you help another nation on the Western side of the Arab world map get liberated?? They are looking to build their own state on 22% of the land that was originally theirs!
Pabst: No Wael, we cannot do that! Israel is our ally!
Next day;
Pabst: United States is for democracy... We rid you off of Saddam and brought you a democratically elected government. It was the choice of the people.
Wael: I believe you but how do you explain Chili, Granada, Iran, Haiti and other democratically elected government that you overthrow and brought in either gangs or dictators. How do you explain starving my people for no fault of their own aside from exercising their right of choosing their representatives.
Pabst: No Wael, these people are different, they were threatening our interests.
Good night Pabst
Quote from WAEL012000:
You have been there and done that! How easily you guys forget.
Remember the war between Iraq and Iran? You remember how you armed Saddam to cripple the new Khaminey regime?? You remember how you aided both parties with satellite images of both of their military installations?? Remember the contra affair? No?? Ok then, you remember how you supplied Saadam with chemical and germ weapons to use against the Iranians???
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Quote from originalskunk:
Been there, done that. It will never work. Does nobody remember the Iran-Contra scandal? The USA tried this with Iraq/Iran in the 1980s, claiming to support Saddumb while giving weapons and intelligence to Iran. How well did that end up? Two decades later another generation is being forced to clean up the mess.
Maybe the USA should just stop interfering in other countries and just trade with the unfortunate people that happen to have been born above "our oil".
How much does the cheap iranian gov pay you to keep posting anti-american statements ... 20cents an hour or 5cents ...
WAEL012000 dude I'm so sorry for you ... you think like a child ... and you assume that your daydreams can easily become real life events ... so does your government ... that's why you won't ever and ever get anywhere in real life.