Quote from Maverick74:
OK, let me speak more slowly for you. You are studying population data. I'm studying sample data. Know the difference? I don't give a fuck at this point. Just google it.
What's happening with healthcare, education and anything else the gov't subsidizes is that they are taking money from one group and giving it to another. As a whole, the entire pie looks relatively stable. But it's the "pieces"" of the pie that need to be examined. Yes, I'm aware of the effect grants and aid have on college costs. They go to the POOR. But that comes at a cost. By making college affordable for certain groups of people, you make it unaffordable for others.
Anyone on this thread who tried to apply for a Pell Grant but had parents with too much money in their bank account knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about. I went through this shit 16 years ago. See, your study is looking at the whole. It's kind of like saying if 10 people are in a room and 9 of them make minimum wage and one guy is Elon Musk who is a billionaire and let's say he makes 1 million a year. When you study the "whole" it looks like EVERYONE is doing well. The avg is high. But when you see that its really only one guy who is "distorting" the avg, then you understand that most people are NOT doing well.
So when you examine the fact that middle class income has basically declined in real dollars the last two decades. And college education prices for the "middle class" has risen substantially because they are NOT getting the grants and the aid. What instead they are getting are LOANS. Hence why we have a trillion dollar student loan crisis.
I don't know how know how many graphs I have to show you that education costs even as a whole are seriously outpacing even medical costs and I think even YOU would agree that medical costs are spiraling out of control. So if you DO believe medical costs are high and you agree that college tuition is outpacing even that of medical costs then how can you think that tuition is keeping pace with inflation? It's nonsensical.
When you look at data, you NEVER want to study the "mean" or the "avg". Unless you are dealing with things that have small variances. Once you actually dig down and look at the parts, you see that studying the whole makes no sense.
OK, good. Now we can agree. You have finally come around to making useful and cogent observations that we all should consider.
Let me make it clear that the data and facts I presented are just that and are correct as far as I can tell, and no one here has thus far shown them not to be. College today, in constant dollars, based on the real consumer inflation rate, on average, is no more expensive today than it was twenty years ago. But there are many considerations that go into determining how hard it is to pay for, and it has gotten a lot harder for some to pay for than it used to be, and possibly easier for others..
Your post, is a good one, and you have hit on some very important and key issues. I don't know that you are correct, but at least your arguments and points are worth considering.
It seems the insight your post is leading us to is that this whole "Gee Whiz, look at what's happening to tuition business" is just a red herring that inadvertently covers-up important underlying issues that need to be addressed. We have a serious national affliction, our collective inability to think beyond the end of our noses.
