The Trouble With Scribbles

Here is a recent chart posting by a scribble student. Note that the forecast is for price to go one of two ways, either up or down. In addition, analysis of the upper trendline and lower trendline show that they are drawn in an arbitrary fashion. This is because they could have easily been drawn at different angles with the upper line going on top of the 105.61 bar and then across the top of the 109.17 bar. This would greatly change the angle. In addition, the lower line cuts through the noise at the bottom instead of being on the outside of the 89.70 bar. This would greatly change the size of the range and could show a much greater potential for price to fall. Furthermore, why isn't the lower line touching the 99.52 bar or the 99.13 bar? Conclusion to be found here is that the trendlines can be drawn however one feels they need to make the noise fit the way that they want it to.

The conclusion is that you don't realize this is a weekly trend channel, which is why the lines occur where they do. The trendlines and resulting channel are drawn exactly as they should be.

What is of import though is what is happening now and that can be determined by better methods using indicators along with price action and then adhering to strict and prudent money management principles.

It's all in hindsight so it doesn't matter anyway.

Which is the chief difficulty with your approach: it's all in hindsight. Show somebody how all this works out in advance, not by looking in the rearview mirror. Problem is, you can't. You can only boast about what was. Or might have been.
 
I use this equation to draw my line. It has a self correcting component that bends itself, as light does, when crossing close to a large mass of price activity. When close to a low mass of price activity it doesn't bend much. That's why the line's missing a few important points mentioned above. It's all very logical.

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I can answer this one for you B1S2!

If you back up far enough (which isn't shown), those channel lines actually start with very well defined swing lows for the lower channel line, and the highest high between those two lows for the upper channel line. This channel just happens to begin to the left of the chart. This therefore helps you identify the overbought and oversold conditions, as in the lows that hit 90 when they drop below the channel, and some of the slight penetrations above the upper channel line.

Its true that from here, price can either go up or down, but that is essentially what happens when you are at the mean of a channel. Being in the middle makes it much harder to favor up or down as opposed to when you are at the top, where the chances of going down are greater, or at the bottom, where the chances of going higher is the better bet.

EDIT: Here is a daily chart of the NQ which shows how that channel is drawn.
Thanks KP for your posting! I do know where the lines eminated from. Glad you brought it up. If you look at those lines, you'll note that they are also arbitrary. The upper line is drawn above a peak that occurred 9 months hence from the beginning for starters. Diagonal trend lines are certainly better than horizontal scribbles but the issue here is that the student is forecasting both directions. I believe he is suggesting that buying a straddle at the median line is the best option here.
 
I use this equation to draw my line. It has a self correcting component that bends itself, as light does, when crossing close to a large mass of price activity. When close to a low mass of price activity it doesn't bend much. That's why the line's missing a few important points mentioned above. It's all very logical.

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Gringo
Thanks for your posting Gringo ! If coupled with prudent use of capital, it may be profitable.
 
Thanks for your posting Gringo ! If coupled with prudent use of capital, it may be profitable.

Prudent use of most things would imply a greater chance of better outcome over that of a non-prudent use. Hence, prudent is alluding to probability, and a higher probability of one outcome over another, which in essence is an edge. Prudence, in other words is nothing more than identifying and using that edge.

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Prudent use of most things would imply a greater chance of better outcome over that of a non-prudent use. Hence, prudent is alluding to probability, and a higher probability of one outcome over another, which in essence is an edge. Prudence, in other words is nothing more than identifying and using that edge.

Gringo

Silver-tongued devil . . .
 
Thanks KP for your posting! I do know where the lines eminated from. Glad you brought it up. If you look at those lines, you'll note that they are also arbitrary. The upper line is drawn above a peak that occurred 9 months hence from the beginning for starters. Diagonal trend lines are certainly better than horizontal scribbles but the issue here is that the student is forecasting both directions. I believe he is suggesting that buying a straddle at the median line is the best option here.
Well technically, they aren't arbitrary if they are always drawn the same way. The same way being that you take two swing lows, connect them, and draw the upper parallel line across the highest point. If anything, its pretty remarkable that given how this channel was drawn so long ago, that price is still respecting it.

I would actually also disagree that diagonal lines are better than horizontal ones. The horizontal lines represent actual values that everyone can see, that aren't just a line made up like a diagonal one. As you say, diagonal lines can be drawn very many different ways, so this makes it arbitrary. But if you ask someone to draw a horizontal line under the previous day low, there is only one way to do this. Likewise, a line draw across the previous day high can only be done one way. So if you have these lines on your chart from the previous day, and price approaches the previous day high or low, it will either go above it, or below it (worst of all is when it forms a range right at that level). But point being that everyone can see a horizontal line and everyone has to draw it the same, and if the line is a previous day high or low, you can bet that lots of traders are looking at it.

Here is the thing that I think you have to agree with. You have a method that causes you to lose 20 or 30 points, and everyone calls you crazy. But when I see that your posted results show that you are up $75k for the year so far, then you must clearly know what you are doing. Your stop and target placements, even though they may be very large, are clearly well tested to be statistically profitable in the long run. Likewise, if a trader builds a system that takes advantage of horizontal and diagonal lines that is statistically positive in the long run, then fundamentally, this isn't that much different from what you are doing.

I do like lots of things you write, like when you said that too much emphasis is placed on being right but not enough on keeping losses small, letting profits run, and not needing a high win percentage.

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index...w-a-straight-line.287955/page-67#post-4099117

But this can clearly be accomplished in many different ways, and since you're big on the math of all this, which is essential, if someone is to build a system that does have a statistical edge, what is wrong with it being different from yours if it still wins more than it losses in the end?
 
Here is a recent chart posting from one of the scribble method students. In this analysis , the student drills down from longer time frame charts in order to identify a range on a shorter term chart. Even though larger ranges are identified, he finally gets down to a trade-worthy range of six points from 3674 to 3680. However, by attempting to be so specific on such a short time frame, the scribbler ends up missing reversals both at 3687 and also at 3662. A simple Bollinger Band, RSI, MACD analysis would have had the trader reaping much more reward than would be gained using the scribble method. In addition, no stops are shown on the chart once again--the idea being that the system is going to deliver such a high win rate that initial stops and trailing stops are not necessary. Letting a winner run is also not shown or discussed. Letting winners run is part of a prudent capital/risk management model as is essential for successful trading. Again, when reviewing the scribble charts, it's very glaring that the main attempt is to be right 100% of the time.
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