The Trader in Prison

Quote from Rashid_G.:

I am downsized...

2 key system trades reversed my boat to a profitable day.. System basically subsidizing the creator..

keep downsized and stop using words like creator and winning systems you sound like your in a cult. i bet with time you will get into a better groove. also remember you don't need to trade everyday the best trade sometimes is no trade.
 
Rashid_G.

Registered: Nov 2009
Posts: 782



08-19-11 08:12 AM
Ironically... I trade more if I begin the day with losses. I trade MUCH less or not at all if I am in profit, not wanting to "spend" any of it. Quite diabolical really... trading more when losing and less when winning..

THIS may be at the core of my issues... As account grows my risk appetite drops.. Just wish that should be at a much higher level.


This tells me on days that you start with a loss, you do emotional, revenge trading instead of picking and choosing your entries carefully.
Your fear comes from the fact that you know you are prone to trading impulsively, you don't have to be in the market at all times be more selective and your fear will subside, your ratio will go up. Step 2 stop riding your losses and exiting early on your winners. Good luck.
 
Quote from illiquid:

Think of it as emotional muscle that gets stronger the more you use it.
I took alot from illiquid's post, thank you.

Here's a couple of things I've done and been doing to tough up.
Take something you absolutely love, like something you've had a long time.
Stick it on ebay, sell it, then you have forced your emotions to deal with selling. You don't become attached to something, like a losing trade, for instance. This one can be really painful !
Do something that scares you. I took my motorcycle test last week. Just got a bug up my ass to start riding again. Why is this scary for me? Have family member that was injured severely on a bike and I had developed an extreme fear of riding on the street. This was a tough one for me because I used to ride alot, and I could not figure where the fear started and then it just grew larger and compounded itself somehow.
(This could be too much for the OP, and possibly fatal, especially if you have not ridden a motorcycle, so within reason find something else that is somewhat scary but safer)
 
Ultimately my system does not pick bottoms or tops and I am at odds with this. Every time I see a signal a thought goes through my head "look a what it missed".. So I I try to get in early, ANTICIPATING the signal.. then I am fighting an existing thread. As a result I am transfixed on a 1, 3, 5min chart while the higher time-frame is in no hurry. Funny thing is when the signal comes, there is ALWAYS A LOT more to be had. I could even use a seemingly dangerous bar stop but very rarely is a bar H/L violated.

Then again MANY failing traders and basic Human behavior is at odds with successful systems as they do what we can't/won't. Excruciating to just sit there and wait BUT there is no alternative.. none.

The resulting mental battle from all this is very very tiring.. But like a smoker or obese person I must not be tired enough yet.
 
Quote from Rashid_G.:

I am a prisoner. For years I live in a cell, a very small cell. Most debilitating is this Jail has no walls yet I cannot break out. Like the Elephant chained for so long she still doesn't leave when the chains are removed.

Sometimes I imagine an exit but I get burned everytime I try since these times it seems easiest to leave are actually the worst times... i.e. I feel not in it at the worst of prices.

My Prison is called FEAR.

The Cycle: Dandy signal comes along and I ignore it, fearing a possible loss. A while later, I am paradoxically VERY comfortable taking losses at less ideal prices.. bizzare. This is because if I don't the pain will be so great and Mr. (or Mrs.) market will see to it I really regret not taking the signal. Sometime I find a reason to avoid being present when a signal fires as I fear loss. This cycle is like a broken record.

I don't rely on trading for a living so that pressure is not there, although I do have a strong mental investment in the potential outcome of trading. I am profitable this year in spite on taking, maybe 10% of signals and feeding my broker on a daily basis. There is NO DOUBT in my mind the system CAN be seriously profitable... IF USED as I have verified it for quite a while.

I am starting to wonder if Cybertetics.. NLP... and what not actually work though I haven't tried them.

Has anyone at this depth ever escaped??

Its called self sabotage. You got this from experience elsewhere in your life. I'm pretty sure the reason you do it is because somewhere else in your life once, you thought you had a sure thing and it didnt work out for you and it caused you massive pain. So now whenever you think you have a sure thing, you are afraid to execute the plan because subconsciously your brain doesnt want that pain again.

Yeah, try NLP. I recommend tony robbins personal power. Its expensive, but it will help you sort though that crap if you follow through the program and do all the exercises.
 
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