the Tokyo Olympics are turning into a mess

Cuddles said:
eh, i'd say there is/was BLM solidarity. Because Europe doesn't really have "black overpolicing" and because there were a few incidents of fan racism, the movement may have shifted or been hijacked.

Regardless of the reasons, it's still "political activism", so the point is moot since as far as I can tell, the IOC doesn't specify what activism they object to.
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In Europe it was never about policing but the fans in the stands. Monkey chants, throwing bananas on the field, racist songs and even attacking players verbally on social media. The kneeling was not against the governments but the actions of the fans themselves.
 
El OchoCinco said:
My point was the IOC was against any type of protests being done during podium medal ceremonies or when flags are presented. The soccer protests going back before George Floyd were not necessarily kneeling but they had messages on shirts and around the stadiums. I think the IOC did not really object to what happened in the game because it was part of the game for sometime before the Olympics and they were not doing it during an anthem or flag. It was simply before the whistle.

Also it was NOT a BLM solidarity because in the U.S. BLM became an organization and went batshit crazy. Europe used the phrase only for support and it was more for solidarity with the Black players in their leagues that were being subject to horrible racism. They do not have the crazy shit we have in the U.S. with organizations that spring up claiming ownership of a phrase.
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Source?
 
Not looking zippy.

Today's Debbie Downer article from the WSJ.

The 2021 Olympics Are Turning Into a $20 Billion Bust for Japan


Host nation expected an economic windfall and global recognition. But amid pandemic, a disgruntled populace just wants it all to go away.

TOKYO—When Toyota Motor Corp. said this week it wouldn’t run any ads in Japan tied to the Olympics, it sent a message louder than any TV commercial about the host nation’s grim mood.

Toyota is Japan’s most valuable company and a global Olympics sponsor, the top rank shared by only 13 others world-wide. For U.S. audiences, it spent millions of dollars on a Super Bowl commercial featuring the Olympic rings. But in Japan, any link to the Games was too sensitive for the auto maker to advertise.

The Olympics open on Friday a year late and during a Covid-19 state of emergency in Tokyo. Anticipation and expectations for an economic windfall have largely evaporated. Stadiums and arenas that cost over $7 billion to build or renovate for the Games will be mostly empty after spectators were banned.

Japan wanted the Tokyo Olympics to show the country is still a global force despite its declining population and a maturing economy eclipsed by China. The Games would also show how Japan rebounded from a devastating tsunami in 2011. Instead, the Olympics has compounded a malaise over the pandemic that has put its leader under pressure to keep his job.

Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said he was confident that extensive measures to keep the public away from the event would prevent the spread of infection and that the country will still benefit from a huge global television audience.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-20...-into-a-20-billion-bust-for-japan-11626790720
 
El OchoCinco said:
Source for which part?
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You seemed to indicate, as I recall, that the European kneeling was not about BLM;
and that the kneeling was not about Floyd;
and that the kneeling was not about U.S. racism.

So sources supporting those contentions, at least, would probably be a good start?
 
userque said:
You seemed to indicate, as I recall, that the European kneeling was not about BLM;
and that the kneeling was not about Floyd;
and that the kneeling was not about U.S. racism.

So sources supporting those contentions, at least, would probably be a good start?
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What I was saying is that the kneeling was not being done to an anthem against the government as was being done in the U.S. There may have been solidarity for what was going on in the U.S. but the continuation of it is based on the continuing racists actions of fans. The pro players are not kneeling against an anthem or government because they are from all over Europe, Africa and Latin America as well as Asia. In the U.S. BLM always refers to the organization while in Europe they were still supporting the basic statement that their fellow players mattered against the racist chants and verbal attacks they were facing.

You think the entire Europe continent only cares about U.S. racism?
 
El OchoCinco said:
What I was saying is that the kneeling was not being done to an anthem against the government as was being done in the U.S. There may have been solidarity for what was going on in the U.S. but the continuation of it is based on the continuing racists actions of fans. The pro players are not kneeling against an anthem or government because they are from all over Europe, Africa and Latin America as well as Asia. In the U.S. BLM always refers to the organization while in Europe they were still supporting the basic statement that their fellow players mattered against the racist chants and verbal attacks they were facing.
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Again, source?
El OchoCinco said:
You think the entire Europe continent only cares about U.S. racism?
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That's a logical fallacy. I never said, nor implied that.

Additionally, they aren't my words; they are the words of my sources.
 
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