The tide is turning for the specialists!!!

Quote from jem:

firewalker did get price improvement. Bid was 50 and he got 51

And for statistical purposes the NYSE will count that as another trade that was price improved! :D
 
Quote from Don Bright:
If the "lawyers" as opposed to the "traders" try to decide, God knows what we'll end up with. Having spent hours on the phone with regulator/lawyer types discussing the various nuances of complex trading markets, equities and derivatives, I have seen first hand that some major education needs to take place before we can expect to see a positive outcome for the American people and traders alike.


Wouldn't it be great if, in order to practice before the SEC or the exchanges, securities lawyers had to spend a day each with a floor broker working orders, with a spec running a stock, with a big Naz MM, with a prop office, and with a professional retail trader? They'd actually be able to understand what the effect of their work is on the people that have to live with it.

Of course, Congress isn't any better. Some of those guys must be from that planet that Kang and Kodos are from (why can't I remember the name?)
 
I agree whole heartedly. my friend with a mba is also a lawyer at the SEC. Everytime I speak with him, I see he works under misunderstandings about what actually happens.

Don if you know anybody who needs a lawyer with a series7 and trades everyday to lobby these guys I would consider that a great supplemental job.
 
Quote from ertrader1:

This thread kills me, NYSE equitie traders crying about the specialist. FOR CHRIST SAKE...grow up.....I traded with the those specialist for years.

Try trading options, where they have a guideline, only a guideline that they can hold ur order for up to 3 minuets.

And if they hold it longer they can call "fast Market", at which time, if they fill your order(even a cancel order) 5 even 10 minuets later, its all legal.

Or they can decide to fill you and bust your trade hours later.

not to mention all the other tricks the MMs in the PSE< CBOE< AMEX< pull.

When i was at schonfeld, trading NYSE along side Nasdaq, i remember those who could not make money.....blaming the Specialist........only to relize later that they could not trade, at all.

the SPECIALIST are not to blame......you are to blame if you dont understand how the specailist work, in the equites you trade. And i know your not loading up with 30 positions....so, learn the games they play.

Fidelity is just using the Specialist to blame for their failed attempt to creat profits for clients.

What ur going to see now are all those brokers and all those traders that trade for many funds finding excuses and pointing the finger at everyone but themselves.......because the are all pretty much CLOWNS.
- for the fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves-
agreed....i come from fx where mktmakers are blamed for every loss....and then i became a marketmaker!, if you cant take the heat, get the f*** out the kitchen!
 
"..for the fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves-
agreed....i come from fx where mktmakers are blamed for every loss....and then i became a marketmaker!, if you cant take the heat, get the f*** out the kitchen!" vox_lucidus

Abso-fu*king-lutely.

If the specialists were to be replaced with an electronic system then mark my words. The melodramatic nancies now complaining are really going to get right royally screwed with order queues, partial fills and all the other electronic hassles and minefields that knock the guts out of the independent small trader trading stocks.
 
Quote from Mecro:


It's funny to see people actually defend the specialists. Put simply, it's a mafia racket.

so what - the replacement will also be a racket. in terms of profit potential - for indie traders - nothing at will change with the disapperance of specialists.
 
Quote from Cheese:If the specialists were to be replaced with an electronic system then mark my words. The melodramatic nancies now complaining are really going to get right royally screwed with order queues, partial fills and all the other electronic hassles and minefields that knock the guts out of the independent small trader trading stocks.

Classic post. First they complained about the specialists - now so called "HFT" is the cause of all their problems!
 
Quote from jem:

I agree whole heartedly. my friend with a mba is also a lawyer at the SEC. Everytime I speak with him, I see he works under misunderstandings about what actually happens.

Don if you know anybody who needs a lawyer with a series7 and trades everyday to lobby these guys I would consider that a great supplemental job.

Is your friend the SEC attorney whom Madoff married his niece to?

After screwing Madoff's niece, your friend ignored the findings he got from Madoff's firm as well as the letters written by the Greek guy. Is that true?
 
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