The thing about "day trading"

Those who come to market for only hedonism will have high probability to fail. Don't come to market if it is for proving anything to yourself. Only prove your system not yourself because if your system is not proof-safe then it is not worth trading it is only gambling. Those who have "psychological" problem are those who can't stick to prove and improve their system but challenge themselves about their psy: that's what they are brainwashed all day long by psy gurus. Of course psychology counts but your psychological behavior is the consequences of lack of focus on the stuff that really matters: winning money by being consistent not satisfy your intellectual pleasure. By system I don't mean mechanical system here I rather mean framework so that it applies even to discretionary trader.

Quote from harrytrader:

It is true that market's complexity is an intellectual challenge that can attract people for that - as I had been attracted myself by that - but professionaly speaking it's a business and I entered business long ago whereas most engineers from my school prefered the comfort of corporates. Trading is about taking and managing risk aka a business, it is not only about just theorising on market although I am not against theory on the contrary (see my signature) I just mean it's not an end but a tool for the real goal is to make money not to satisfy intellectual challenge: this is only hedonism and some people are willing to pay trading losses for that like they are paying vacations :D.

Quote from CharlesTrader:

The idea of self-worth is a much discussed topic in literature, psychology and philosophy. It seems to be a major human preoccupation. Here are a few quotes on self-worth:

Persons of high self-esteem are not driven to make themselves superior to others; they do not seek to prove their value by measuring themselves against a comparative standard. Their joy is being who they are, not in being better than someone else.
- Nathaniel Branden

The individual's most vital need is to prove his worth, and this usually means an insatiable hunger for action. For it is only the few who can acquire a sense of worth by developing and employing their capacities and talents. The majority prove their worth by keeping busy.
- Eric Hoffer

There are many who find the burdens, the anxiety, and the isolation of an individual existence unbearable. This is particularly true when the opportunities for self-advancement are relatively meager, and one's individual interests and prospects do not seem worth living for. Such persons sooner or later turn their backs on an individual existence and strive to acquire a sense of worth and a purpose by an identification with a holy cause, a leader, or a movement. The faith and pride they derive from such an identification serve them as substitutes for the unattainable self-confidence and self-respect.
- Eric Hoffer

The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.
- Eric Hoffer

It seems that when we are oppressed by the knowledge of our worthlessness we do not see ourselves as lower than some and higher than others, but as lower than the lowest of mankind. We hate then the whole world, and we would pour our wrath upon the whole of creation.
- Eric Hoffer

Charles
 
Quote from Maharaja:

Don't you "day-traders" or any kind of full-time (NOT part time, or people that trade as a second job) traders feel like your not accomplishing anything?

What does a day trader do for society? Does this bother any of you? Maybe it doesn't matter.

First off day trading for some of us is just like any other business. Your in it to make money. What do you do for a living? You do it to make money and pay your bills right?

Gee I really hate waking up when I want , going on vacation whenever, and making a few grand in a good day for 3 hours worth of research and work.

Yeah I'll give all that up to join the rat race again.........:eek:
 
Quote from Maharaja:

Don't you "day-traders" or any kind of full-time (NOT part time, or people that trade as a second job) traders feel like your not accomplishing anything? I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I've assessed the whole "becoming a day trader" path and it just seems like there is no substance behind the job. Yes, it gives you freedom, you can work naked in your bedroom, etc... but even if you are immensely profitable what have you done for society? Buying and selling of a company/currency/future/etc for a quick profit, but what is the higher end result? If you are a day trader your whole life, what have you accomplished? What will people remember you for? If your a low level engineer, at least your building things, a doctor cures people, an investor helps a company grow, a hedge fund manager makes money for people, a janitor keeps place clean, a hit man kills people (at least it is something!)... What does a day trader do for society? Does this bother any of you? Maybe it doesn't matter. Just wondering how everyone else feels...

hey is this the words of a guy not making money daytrading or what?
 
Quote from harrytrader:

You're right I said speculation is parasitism to society

>what have you done for society?
Now one could reverse the question: what society has done for me :D
If there are so many people willing to go there it is because society has made it the only field left where monopolies and taxes haven't forbidden you to be your own entrepreneurship. Dozens of years ago the industrial enterprises were belonging 60% to the people. Now 80% belong to corporates.

I've have been businessman I have contributed to create jobs I have contributed to "society" I know what real economy and business is now I'm fed up of the bankers that create booms and burst and create unstable conditions for economy for their own profit so that as I feel I'm as intelligent as them and even more I have decided that it is my best interest to come to trading. And it is for the same interest that many come also. The difference is that I will return the money back to real economy and really distressed people. I hate to talk about donations to fundations and stuffs like that because many are just hype and tax evasion but I will do something and silently because I don't like hype ( btw don't give to the red cross there are some financial scandals there).

Now I won't advise anyone to do the thing if they are not sufficiently prepared to do so.
You are caveman.
 
In case you didn't know it's all about getting paid you know making money. It's like the golden rule he who has the gold makes the rule so as long as it's legal who cares what people do to make it. It's

C.R.E.A.M

CASH
RULES
EVERYTHING
AROUND
ME
 
Quote from Maharaja:

Don't you "day-traders" or any kind of full-time (NOT part time, or people that trade as a second job) traders feel like your not accomplishing anything? I

I see from your other posts that u havent started trading yet.
change your attitude or u'll never make it.
 
Quote from Maharaja:

Don't you "day-traders" or any kind of full-time (NOT part time, or people that trade as a second job) traders feel like your not accomplishing anything? I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I've assessed the whole "becoming a day trader" path and it just seems like there is no substance behind the job. Yes, it gives you freedom, you can work naked in your bedroom, etc... but even if you are immensely profitable what have you done for society? Buying and selling of a company/currency/future/etc for a quick profit, but what is the higher end result? If you are a day trader your whole life, what have you accomplished? What will people remember you for? If your a low level engineer, at least your building things, a doctor cures people, an investor helps a company grow, a hedge fund manager makes money for people, a janitor keeps place clean, a hit man kills people (at least it is something!)... What does a day trader do for society? Does this bother any of you? Maybe it doesn't matter. Just wondering how everyone else feels...

If your aim in working is to make money and enjoy yourself doing it, then daytrading has all the substance and meaning you need. You even "help society" by paying lots of tax. If you are a great trader, then you've "accomplished" some great trades.

As for being remembered, wake up and smell the coffee pal. 99.999% of people on this planet will never be remembered for their work or anything else. They are just average working stiffs who do nothing of note, then die and rot in a coffin. A few relatives and friends will shed a few tears and have some fond memories, but they will be dead a bit later anyway.

Meanwhile, our "meaningless" daytrader is making a killing, banging hot pussy, driving fast cars, drinking Dom Perignon on the foredeck of his superyacht, and maybe the more intellectual types are pursuing their pet charities or projects thanks to the profits they've made. And you're telling me that some wage slave doctor or engineer is having the good life?

In any case, where would America or any other advanced capitalist society be without the financial markets and the liquidity that traders provide? Bond traders make it cheaper and easier for Joe Public to get 30 year fixed mortgages, thus providing financial security for tens of millions of families. Stock traders help companies raise money on better terms, thus boosting economic growth, job creation, and productivity, and provide pricing signals to indicate which areas are the best place to invest capital. Investors help pharmaceutical companies raise finance for the long-term, helping to cure disease and sickness. Currency speculators facilitate international trade, keep discipline on government financial policy, and provide important signals as to the relative attractiveness of different countries' economies. And all good traders, buy buying lower than they sell, help smooth volatility, by providing supply during periods of shortage, and demand during periods of surplus.

Personally, I don't give a f*ck if I help society or not. After all, no one in society is out to help me just for the sake of it. But that doesn't mean that trading isn't socially beneficial - on the contrary, it is extremely important. No doctor raised living standards anywhere near as much as the global financial markets.
 
here's how I see...

I understand where you're coming from...since your in school things are a bit more gravy and idealistic

get out and work for a few years and you'll start to change tune...

regarding pillars of society, the only professions I respect in that matter are the social servants such as police, medical, army, firefighters who really make a direct influence (for the most part) in people's every day lives

I've worked as a financial auditor and software consultant and eventally you start realizing that nobody cares what firm you work for or what you do...so you start thinking "I'm slaving away at 70+ hours at a 'respectable' job...for what??"

I see trading as an endevour in which I answer to absolutely nobody but myself...
 
I don't think it matters if I traded or not which actually I have just not large amounts to have an opinion. What I said goes for everything in any job who care what you do as long as your good at it so what if the public doesn't like it. I make alot of money playing cards and hustling pool and I'm sure some public figures wouldn't like but there's nothing like taking 3 or 4 hundred off of someone that doesn't know what he's doing and you know something that's his problem but the bottom line is it's all about the all mighty dollar and if you can have a good time doing it then what's so wrong with that.
 
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