Posted by Publias:
Now as you can see I am not affirming or denying any external truths here, nor did I ever on this entire thread. This is what arrogant close minded people cannot quite grasp about Taoism and Zen... It is not philosophy nor religion, because they are not arrogant enough to believe they know or have the ability to comprehend the ultimate/absolute truth... This is my truth! Because as Einstein said you can never open up the watch, but I assure you that you can open your SELF!
Posted by Publias:
BTW; Dark I am already profitable consistently for over 4 years(ft sole source income), for me it is not a matter of seeking external methods to make money(not to say I don't adapt and cultivate new methods), for me it is only a matter of aiming inward and making sure that I properly exploit those methods... Maybe this is where some of the confusion lies around here...
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I can assume you've opened this thread then because you are a successful trader and you are relating your findings, part of which is the inclusion ( if I interpret correctly) of your "inner self " in your trading equation, and that is your Truth.
Well good for you, but the things I find most interesting in this thread are the responses, not your "findings". Don't misunderstand me. I do find your writing extremely readable and it's an interesting topic, but the conclusion I come to is.. So What?
If I am to understand the next step is to discuss Your Truth, then good Publias, I missed something. Some of Your truth is:
Publias:
"At the end of the day if I play well and end up losing 5k I feel alot better than I do when I make 10k and play shitty...."
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Don't you see that kind of statement will create a whole range of responses from those interested enough to read it? Here's one..
Posted by Rigel
This is important and true. If you have a profitable method and you trade it according to the rules(play well) you KNOW that you will succeed, which brings peace of mind and satisfaction. If you screw around(play shitty), get lucky, and make 10k, you are relying purely on luck which is random, and over the long run you'll end up losing.
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That seems to support your Truth to some extent but the question comes to me ...why the hell are you "screwing around " enough to make 10k by luck and lose 5k from running your system.
Surely systems / methods are developed in an attempt to stop that fundmental kind of error. A system should be systematic. If the "wrong" outcome occurs enough to frig up the account, then it should be clear enough to say it's the system that's shitty. If the system relies on whether your inner self is in sympathy with the universe, then you consider yourself too important.
And that's the problem for me as far as I know. In an attempt to search for the solution, all sorts of weird and wonderful side tracks appear, from superstition to inner peace, when you really know damn well if you just stop trying to short cut, that the system is not good enough yet (though maybe not worthless) and it's in the trying to fix it, where all the pain, work, time and expense lies. Whether you feel good while doing that or when you think it's done, may be useful to the individual, but it's nothing to do with the challenge itself.
If you choose to "trade out of your head" from feelings, a certain sense a knowledge, something inate, intuitive which has built up over time, then you have been consistently adjusting adapting to stay in the game. Can you write that method down on paper or explain it so that others can have all their queries and questions met. I don't think so. Ask the best soccer player why he can do what others apparently can't, he just does it. But what the hell use is that to others who want to learn. That's the important word LEARN . Too many trade BEFORE they learn. You want to learn zen, learn zen. You want to learn to trade learn to trade.Is there some zen in trading? If there is write it down ,show it.
In this context like the soccer player, you've said squat so far in very eloquent language, but the drift now appears to be accusing others of indescretion as far as I can see.
You've listed in your Truth the things that are the problem, that's half the battle.
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posted by Adonis
Mastery
"For them the contest consists in the archer aiming at himself - and yet not himself, and thus becoming simultaneously the aimer and the aim, the hitter and the hit. Or, to use some expressions which are nearest the heart of the Masters, it is necessary for the archer to become, in spite of himself, an unmoved center. Then comes the supreme and ultimate miracle: art becomes "artless", shooting becomes not-shooting, a shooting without bow and arrow; the teacher becomes a pupil again, the Master a beginner, the end a beginning, and the beginning perfection."
-Zen in the Art of Archery
Eugen Herrigel
Just what the hell is that really?
To me this is La La Land, to some others it makes some kind of sense. If the sense of it can't be explained (unless I will only be enlightened if I unreservedly accept it ) it's a digression interesting maybe but so what...... shall I take up archery? It's hippy stuff people had fun with in the 60's. It would have worked by now, much more than it has, as a part of everyones' trading. It hasn't. Some words are pretty, occasionally inspiring, but they're transient in effect. Surely your gonna fell happier with a robust trading system which is not affected by whether your metabolic system is performing in a certain way, or your friggin arrow feathers aren't ruffled.
I am arrogant ? I have a closed mind because you can make your way work and I don't see how ? I make mine work, and it's been for a lot longer than 4 years and I do a lot better than a source of income. It doesn't make mine right or workable for everyone, I am certain from what I read on these boards lots would not like or agree with my method.
Is it 'cause I call it hippy?.'Cause I don't agree with you.'Cause I miss your point. I am interested in all stuff but there must be some substance directly connected to trading and as the market doesn't give one sweet freakin feck how you are feeling, then in my opinion, it should be from there you approach "her" as you put it, not from zenworld.
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posted by rs7
I do not by any means want to imply that abandoning your strategy, plan, whatever you want to call it, is the proper thing if what you wanted to do doesn't work. In general when this happens, it is time to step away, and be patient. Wait for what it is you do to start working agian.
Now that's a good idea. That's part of a proper approach you can measure. You can also step away and fix. That may be too hard but if the best get it wrong you got one hell of a challenge in front of you anyways. I don't think you want to start covering that up with mindsets and the art of flower arranging.
Peace?
