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i am not short crude, flat across the board--- sitting out.

however, this does not change my research that is indicating crude < = 64 by end of 11.2008.


surf
That's fairly long-term, as price predictions go. What is the general nature of the research you refer to?
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

That's fairly long-term, as price predictions go. What is the general nature of the research you refer to?


it was a year prediction, not really long term at all. ever hear of the kondratriev wave? ( hint )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave


it's based on a variety of factors both fundamental and cyclical. we are entering a very interesting time in economic history, its going to be great to witness it unfold.

a pleasure as always, tdog.

sincerely,

surf


ps. some more sources of resources for you to understand our studies, leaving out the obvious direct oil resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Turning
 
Yes, I've heard of Kondratiev. However, I don't have much faith in specific price/time predictions, particularly those of a longer time horizon. I believe wishful thinking is an essential component of all such predictions. However, I do hope you're right.

P.S. Surfer, has it occurred to you that, if you believe in predictable cycles, then by default you must also believe in predictable trends, because a trend is but one leg of a cycle. :p
 
it's based on a variety of factors both fundamental and cyclical. we are entering a very interesting time in economic history, its going to be great to witness it unfold.

True, as the human society moves from one of its more peaceful time periods into one of its more tumultuous periods, with energy and religion being foremost in the upheavals.

sportsguy

this time, it won't be different, but will be different for the participants. . .
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Yes, I've heard of Kondratiev. However, I don't have much faith in specific price/time predictions, particularly those of a longer time horizon. I believe wishful thinking is an essential component of all such predictions. However, I do hope you're right.

P.S. Surfer, has it occurred to you that, if you believe in predictable cycles, then by default you must also believe in predictable trends, because a trend is but one leg of a cycle. :p

i am a humble, first degree minister of non predictive studies ( with multitudes of higher ranks above me ) who believes in limited descriptive not predictive value of cyclical research and some TA.

surf fest was much fun. you should try to make the next one.

surf


surf fest report here for those who couldn't make it:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1796909#post1796909
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

...however, this does not change my research that is indicating crude < = 64 by end of 11.2008.
Quote from marketsurfer:

it was a year prediction, not really long term at all. ever hear of the kondratriev wave? ( hint )
Quote from marketsurfer:

i am a humble, first degree minister of non predictive studies ( with multitudes of higher ranks above me ) who believes in limited descriptive not predictive value of cyclical research and some TA.
Hmm. A slight inconsistency, wouldn't you say? First you make a specific price/time prediction based at least in part on a Kondratiev wave, which you then describe as a descriptive tool rather than a predictive tool. If you are using a descriptive tool to make predictions, then how is it not a predictive tool in one form or another?
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...surf fest was much fun. you should try to make the next one.
Thank you. By all accounts, it seems that your shindig jamboree cigar soirée was a success and that you were a gracious host. I'm sorry I missed it. I'll try to make the next one if I can muster up the necessary capitalization to cover the bus fare.
 
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Hmm. A slight inconsistency, wouldn't you say? First you make a specific price/time prediction based at least in part on a Kondratiev wave, which you then describe as a descriptive tool rather than a predictive tool. If you are using a descriptive tool to make predictions, then how is it not a predictive tool in one form or another?

Thank you. By all accounts, it seems that your shindig jamboree cigar soirée was a success and that you were a gracious host. I'm sorry I missed it. I'll try to make the next one if I can muster up the necessary capitalization to cover the bus fare.


your funny, tdog. :D :D




your forgeting that it's a combination of factor---- these things such as TA or PSYCLES have potential to be BROADLY predictive-- similar to the long term up drift of stocks--- however, we drill down into the underlying forces of the psycles--- applying rigerous quantatative statistical methods to narrow the overall broad picture to specifics. it's far from perfect, but its all we have.

the future is unwritten--- joe strummer "the clash"

surf

ps. yes the little event was a great time. thanks for the kind words, perhaps annaland and i will paypal you bus ticket for next surf fest. ( do buses go to the artic circle?) be good.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115818&perpage=6&pagenumber=12
 
Surf - where've you been this past week, skiing perhaps ?
Well, the downhill slopes on all major indices are sure enticing....with that psych level of 12k on the Dow almost begging to be broken.
Hope all is well.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

SURF ALERT


GOLD exploding up here!!

YM collapsing

Bear dead, CITI next??


blood in the streets this week???????

stay tuned....


surf

Citi,
Lehman,
Merril,
US...
 
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