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Quote from marketsurfer:

i said "neoluddite"---there is a difference:

http://www.homoexcelsior.com/archive/transhuman/msg04880.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-luddism

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"the term "neo-Luddite" is most often deployed by advocates of technology to describe people or organisations that oppose their views."

LOL, the difference is only one of degree, not definition.

Show me how you can make money with Taleb's ideas, otherwise his concepts have to remain in the realm on pure fantasy and conjecture (along with Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy).

JJ
 
Quote from annaland:

The world needs statisticians to test all the random theories that exist. Each person has numerous theories, some of which is nonsense. How do we decipher crap from meaning? Statistics. statisticians are able to test some theories and prove what is significant. Hence, your above statement should read, the world needs theorists to keep the world off balance so the logical [aka statisticians] can right the ship.

thanks! :) we'll let him decide which to do :p

My Logic and Statistics professors in college were close and had a great grasp of their individual worth in the realm of Math and Science. It was a good thing they were married because a more perfect balance between 2 people I have never had the pleasure of knowing.

My statistics professor would always say, "Liars figure and figures lie and that is what keeps us statisticians in jobs".

The reason programming is done using Logic because it is a strict "If then" environment. You can't program anything using statistics because of its variable nature.

I do agree with testing all theories, they have to be tested to be proved but having a variable technician test a strict logical theorem doesn't work. The rules are different. You can't prove logic (language) using statistical math.
 
Quote from JimmyJam:

"the term "neo-Luddite" is most often deployed by advocates of technology to describe people or organisations that oppose their views."

LOL, the difference is only one of degree, not definition.

Show me how you can make money with Taleb's ideas, otherwise his concepts have to remain in the realm on pure fantasy and conjecture (along with Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy).

JJ


taleb teaches a way of looking at the world, a way of thinking that is different from the crowd, generally. i believe that knowledge outside of the markets can be applied to the markets to gain a different perspective--- hence taleb makes smart reading for traders/investors. taleb ran a 100 million dollar plus hedge fund, plus traded options full time for several years--- he has been there, done that and is more than "just" an academic.

here's a piece on application:
<i>. ``Be as hyperconservative and hyperaggressive as you can instead of being mildly aggressive or conservative. Instead of having medium risk, you have high risk on one side and no risk on the other. The average will be medium risk but constitutes a positive exposure to the Black Swan.''</i>

good stuff.


surf

ps. remember a black swan can be positive or negative --- as an example google success and 9-11 are two opposing types of black swans
 
Quote from JimmyJam:

It was a smart point, but that doesn't make it valid.

I would strongly suggest that they are absolute experts in any given field that you would care to suggest, I have, in fact, been blessed to meet at least one of them.

These comments make for good bar room discussion, but they don't really have any relevance to the practical situations of real world living.

Jimmy Jam

Oh, I agree.
I for one am the master of my cave and my environment but outside my cave I am just another smart ass human with opinions.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

<i>. ``Be as hyperconservative and hyperaggressive as you can instead of being mildly aggressive or conservative. Instead of having medium risk, you have high risk on one side and no risk on the other. The average will be medium risk but constitutes a positive exposure to the Black Swan.''</i>

good stuff.


surf

ps. remember a black swan can be positive or negative --- as an example google success and 9-11 are two opposing types of black swans

now we're talk'in :)

i couldn't agree more

Jimmy Jam
 
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My Logic and Statistics professors in college were close and had a great grasp of their individual worth in the realm of Math and Science. It was a good thing they were married because a more perfect balance between 2 people I have never had the pleasure of knowing.

My statistics professor would always say, "Liars figure and figures lie and that is what keeps us statisticians in jobs".

The reason programming is done using Logic because it is a strict "If then" environment. You can't program anything using statistics because of its variable nature.

I do agree with testing all theories, they have to be tested to be proved but having a variable technician test a strict logical theorem doesn't work. The rules are different. You can't prove logic (language) using statistical math.

I'm not sure i understand what you mean. Are you trying to say that logic (in some sense)is discrete while statistics (in a sense) is continuous?
 
Quote from annaland:

I'm not sure i understand what you mean. Are you trying to say that logic (in some sense)is discrete while statistics (in a sense) is continuous?

Using statistics you can manipulate the data/results to prove anything you want. If this were possible in Logic, computers would have never been created.
 
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