The Surf Report--part 2

Quote from EPrado:

...As far as Covel's first book......it is a MUST read for any trader at any level. It's in my top 3 along with Market Wizards I and II.
Oh, come on. The MW books are superior to Covel's TF book on so many levels. Schwager asked the kinds of questions of a heterogenous group of traders that a trader would ask. There was some real insight to be had in his books. And while I actually enjoyed Covel's Turtle Trader book for its historical account, his TF book was far too evangelical for my taste. And repetitive. Which is why I had repeatedly asked Covel if he was going to focus on new subject matter or only on more repetition.
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Follow the breadcrumbs and see how we got here. And if you're unwilling to do so, then why did you chime in

If you want to <i>chime in</i> on Covel's books, can't you do so on Covel's thread(s) rather than polluting THE SURF REPORT? I assume an information professional such as you can figure out E'traders site navigation tools...
 
Quote from Rodney King:

If you want to <i>chime in</i> on Covel's books, can't you do so on Covel's thread(s) rather than polluting THE SURF REPORT? I assume an information professional such as you can figure out E'traders site navigation tools...
Didn't follow the breadcrumbs, did you?
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Oh, come on. The MW books are superior to Covel's TF book on so many levels. Schwager asked the kinds of questions of a heterogenous group of traders that a trader would ask. There was some real insight to be had in his books. And while I actually enjoyed Covel's Turtle Trader book for its historical account, his TF book was far too evangelical for my taste. And repetitive. Which is why I had repeatedly asked Covel if he was going to focus on new subject matter or only on more repetition.


schwagers books are good, but a bit dated to say the least.

surf
 
Quote from Fireplace:

When you say 'most TA's' you are grouping me in with people who use an almost unlimited number of ways to view and trade the mkt. So this designation is way too general. There MAY be some overlap or there may be absolutely none, TA is very very broad. Blind TA (what I call those who use just chart patters or indicators alone) is not something I subscribe to at all, fyi.

I'm not going to get into too many specifics because I am not a vendor. I'm just a trader. I worked incredibly hard for several years to come up with my proprietary system and the last thing I want is to open myself up too much. You will understand this, as you also feel that one can choose to share as little or as much as they want.


PS My system CAN be automated but it's currently not. I've already crafted the logic for the code, but am still happy to trade it manually. Perhaps someday I will go fully automated.


Very weak response. There is NO WAY my questions were specific in any stretch of the word---- I guess if you don't know the answers, that is fine-- just stop acting like you have something without providing even a modicum of evidence.

If you are not a vendor, clearly you have been overly influenced by "vendor speak"-- at that you excel.

Choosing to share as little or as much as you like ENDS once you make grandiose claims and attempt to create a aura of speciality around yourself. Let's see 10 contracts is small, leading one to believe you are a BSD. Worked for years on this, yet tease others without providing any evidence, condesending guru tone--- yeah it all adds up to STEALTH VENDOR--- otherwise, upon reading your posts, I can't figure out WHY you post.

surf
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Oh, come on. The MW books are superior to Covel's TF book on so many levels. Schwager asked the kinds of questions of a heterogenous group of traders that a trader would ask. There was some real insight to be had in his books. And while I actually enjoyed Covel's Turtle Trader book for its historical account, his TF book was far too evangelical for my taste. And repetitive. Which is why I had repeatedly asked Covel if he was going to focus on new subject matter or only on more repetition.

I agree...MW books are the best out there, and are probably miles ahead of Covel's book.....but his book is definitely a must read for traders. I would put it 3rd behind MW I and II.
 
I don't tease others who aren't already asking for it based on their weak understanding of mkt dynamics coupled with an intense ego.

As far as the 10 lot comment, yes 10 lot isn't that big to me but the way you talk about your uncanny accurate mkt calls, I would have assumed you were a bigger trader. No worries, I didn't give you any crap about it, just a normal line of questioning on the matter. You don't have to be so darn sensitive you know. :)

PS Calling me a Stealth vendor is a personal attack...since I have no interest in doing anything but trading and chatting on ET.


Quote from marketsurfer:

Very weak response. There is NO WAY my questions were specific in any stretch of the word---- I guess if you don't know the answers, that is fine-- just stop acting like you have something without providing even a modicum of evidence.

If you are not a vendor, clearly you have been overly influenced by "vendor speak"-- at that you excel.

Choosing to share as little or as much as you like ENDS once you make grandiose claims and attempt to create a aura of speciality around yourself. Let's see 10 contracts is small, leading one to believe you are a BSD. Worked for years on this, yet tease others without providing any evidence, condesending guru tone--- yeah it all adds up to STEALTH VENDOR---

surf
 
Quote from Fireplace:

You are a swing trader so your sentiment metrics will be different than mine, as I go day by day and take advantage of intraday movements only.

I can't speak for everyone's time frames because, obviously as the time frames get larger and larger, so do the potential for larger moves (both in your favor and against). And so each trader will need to understand their key mkt levels based on the frames which they use

I pay close attention to how the mkt acts near recent highs/lows, and I generally have a very good read on the mkt and it's potential to either continue through a level or reverse from there. No guessing involved, it's all determined by the price action that occurs at these levels. If I see what I determine (based on several factors) to be continuation PA I look to enter in that direction, if I see counter action (again based on certain metrics) then I'll look to enter on the opposite side and if I do not get a clear signal either way, I wait until I do and I do not place a trade at that level until I do get a clear signal.

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This is contradictory.

You have a very good "read" on the market--- implying an intuitive process

You base your trade on "metrics"--- implying an objective process.

what is it? a combination of both to appeal to the widest cross section of potential customers.

You choose to post on the "surf report"-- therefore you will be taken to task with your pyschobabble apparently gleaned from books and seminars rather than the market itself.

surf
 
Quote from Fireplace:

I don't tease others who aren't already asking for it based on their weak understanding of mkt dynamics coupled with an intense ego.



I have traded for 2 hedge funds, worked as a professional options trader, interviewed dozens of marketwizard and hedgies types-- including Schonfeld , Schwager, and Robertson, was a member of the MTA, placed over $30 million with various traders who have demonstrative market edges, had my views published for 3 years daily on the front page of Yahoo Finance, been qouted in sources around the world, count many of the traders you read about as personal friends and have been trading since 1990. Yes, I see your point when you say my understanding is weak--- i dont know nuthing! Pleaseeeee teach meeeeeee guru

What's your market background and what underlies your understanding?
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

schwagers books are good, but a bit dated to say the least.

surf
Since, according to both you and Covel, the definition of a trend is no longer open to debate, what has changed? Should profits not be allowed to run any more? Should losses no longer be cut short? Does money management now take a back seat? Have I missed any of the bromides Covel "breezily ruminated" on in his first book? Does Covel's new TF book mean that the old one is "dated?"
 
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