The stricter the gun laws, the safer the children

UsualName said:
The irony of this is guns go south and drugs come north.
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You actually think all guns are made in the US? Some of the best guns are made in the Philippines, Turkey, Russia, China, Croatia, etc, all places not known for strict export controls.

The main "guns go south" operation was the Obama/Holder effort, "Fast and Furious", to coerce gun shops in the southwest to sell guns illegally to cartel members. Their hope was that they could then trace them to crimes and use it as a justification for gun confiscation, etc. They had the media all on board to maker a big deal out of it, but it blew up in their faces when a Border Patrol agent was killed with one of the guns they provided to the cartel. That's what led to Holder stonewalling congress and being held in contempt.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Yeah, it's called reality. Liberals always hate that - not surprised you're so adverse.
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Your reality is bullshit. Less guns means less deaths and stricter laws means less childhood deaths.

The only reason we suffer as a country from extreme amounts of gun deaths is because of people like you.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
You actually think all guns are made in the US? Some of the best guns are made in the Philippines, Turkey, Russia, China, Croatia, etc, all places not known for strict export controls.

The main "guns go south" operation was the Obama/Holder effort, "Fast and Furious", to coerce gun shops in the southwest to sell guns illegally to cartel members. Their hope was that they could then trace them to crimes and use it as a justification for gun confiscation, etc. They had the media all on board to maker a big deal out of it, but it blew up in their faces when a Border Patrol agent was killed with one of the guns they provided to the cartel. That's what led to Holder stonewalling congress and being held in contempt.
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Fast and furious was a bad operation, no doubt. Just understand there’s dozens of operations you’ll never know about that are just as risky conducted in the name of safety and security.
 
UsualName said:
there’s dozens of operations you’ll never know about that are just as risky conducted in the name of safety and security.
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I sincerely doubt any are as criminal as that one. If so, the people running them should be fired and prosecuted. Obama and Holder politicized law enforcement to try to push their radical gun confiscation agenda. The media were willing co-conspirators.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
I sincerely doubt any are as criminal as that one. If so, the people running them should be fired and prosecuted. Obama and Holder politicized law enforcement to try to push their radical gun confiscation agenda. The media were willing co-conspirators.
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It was started by Bush.Just sayin
 
Tony Stark said:
Limted access to guns mean limited access to guns to gangs.

Inner city gangs dont have fully automatic weapons.They dont have them because of no supply,there is no supply because they are hard to buy and own legally and illegal possession is an ATF case and 10 year prison sentence.
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What in the hell are you talking about? Regardless of your completely made up BS, gangs in inner cities do have fully auto weapons. You are just illustrating your complete and total ignorance on the subject. You can easily turn any AK or AR into fully auto. A little metal and some machine work and bam fully auto. Easily and very cheaply. There are tons of mac 9s/10s and uzis that are fully auto. They are plentiful and easy to buy if someone wanted to. Where I live, if I wanted to, I could purchase a fully auto gun within 3 hours just like a could buy an eight ball.

Just for your edification, fully auto guns in general suck. They jam a lot, accuracy goes down tremendously, and you run out of bullets really quickly. Yes, I have shot them numerous times. Yes, it was completely legal when I did.

You act like it takes a rocket scientist to produce a gun. You don't need a team of PHDs to make a gun. If there is a demand and no supply for guns, the mexican cartels will fill the demand. It is a complete and total logical fallacy to think that the US can outlaw guns and not have super tight borders.

This is an example that guns laws will not work with porous borders. They are making ghost 1911s in wooden shacks in Philippines and shipping them to the US. That is already illegal. How do these guns get into the US? I mean it is illegal so how does it happen?

 
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WeToddDid2 said:
What in the hell are you talking about? Regardless of your completely made up BS, gangs in inner cities do have fully auto weapons. You are just illustrating your complete and total ignorance on the subject. You can easily turn any AK or AR into fully auto. Easily and very cheaply. There are tons of mac 9s/10s and uzis that are fully auto. They are plentiful and easy to buy if someone wanted to. Where I live, if I wanted to, I could purchase a fully auto gun within 3 hours just like a could buy an eight ball.
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this is fake news according to tsing
 
Tony Stark said:
They get their guns from other states.Limiting access to guns has to come from the federal level like fully automatic weapens bans.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...nd-truths-about-chicagos-guns-and-murder-rate


The Myths and Truths About Chicago's Guns and Murder Rate

About 60 percent of illegal firearms seized and recovered by Chicago police come from out of state. They're traced back to states with less restrictive firearms regulations, with Indiana at the top of the list.


The Associated Press

BY SHARON COHEN, AP National Writer

CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago police are wrestling with gun violence, blamed largely on gangs. President Donald Trump has frequently singled out the city for criticism , calling the crime problem "a total disaster" and claiming Chicago has the strongest guns laws in the nation and still hasn't been able to curb violence. But there are common misunderstandings about Chicago's homicide rate and how the city regulates firearms. Here are some of the myths and truths:

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IS CHICAGO THE NATION'S MURDER CAPITAL?

No. This is a common misperception based partly on the national attention Chicago has attracted in recent years. The Pew Research Center reported in November that when adjusting for population, Chicago has recorded fewer murders per capita than many other smaller U.S. cities. Chicago ranked 14th among cities with at least 100,000 people in 2017. FBI statistics released this fall found St. Louis had the highest murder rate in 2017 — 66.1 homicides per 100,000 people. The Pew report said Chicago did have the highest actual number of homicides in the past few years. In 2016, there were 762 homicides. Last year, homicides dropped to 650. As of Dec. 6, there were 534.

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DOES CHICAGO HAVE THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS IN THE NATION?

No. Trump and his administration have wrongly made this assertion . Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982. Those who'd already purchased and registered their handguns were allowed to keep them. In 2010, the ban was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, and in 2013, Illinois became the last state in the nation to approve concealed carry.

Illinois is considered to have fairly tight gun laws. The state requires gun owners to obtain licenses and face background checks. It also imposes waiting periods on purchases. But unlike New York and California, Illinois, among other things, does not ban assault weapons or large-capacity magazines and does not require a state license for firearms dealers or one to sell ammunition, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

This year, Gov. Bruce Rauner signed into law a measure allowing judges to take away weapons from people suffering mental health or other problems. He also extended a 72-hour waiting period to cover all gun purchases. But he vetoed legislation requiring the state licensing of firearms dealers, saying it would burden small businesses.


WHAT ARE THE SOURCES OF ILLEGAL CHICAGO GUNS?

According to the Trace Report, about 40 percent of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago from 2013 to 2016 came from dealers in Illinois. The remaining 60 percent came from states with less regulation over firearms. Indiana accounted for about 1 in 5 of these weapons, followed by Mississippi and Wisconsin. The report says these trends have been consistent over the past decade. In the same time span, seven gun or sporting goods stores in Illinois were the top 10 source dealers of recovered weapons in Chicago. Three others were in Indiana.
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Okay, if you totally outlaw guns in the US, the Mexican cartels or someone making them in their garage will supply them.
 
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