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A moment of reckoning for gerrymandering

Analysis by Zachary B. Wolf, CNN
Published 9:00 AM EDT, Sat September 9, 2023
CNN —
Americans’ reckoning with their own democracy extends beyond the looming presidential election to a much more local level.

There are new details about how the conservative-dominated US Supreme Court issued its most unexpected decision of the past year and threw out Alabama’s congressional map, part of a secret negotiation between Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Read that incredible behind-the-scenes reporting from CNN’s Joan Biskupic.

Meanwhile, in Wisconsin, the inverse is occurring – lawmakers who enjoy a majority thanks to gerrymandered state-level districts are keen on throwing out a liberal state Supreme Court justice even though she took the bench last month after being elected to a 10-year term.

State and federal courts are hearing challenges to maps across the country, which could have a major impact on the coming election and help determine who controls Congress.

Manipulating maps
The selective drawing of legislative district maps during periods of redistricting after the US census every 10 years – colloquially known as gerrymandering – is a practice that has been the subject of political and court fights for most of the country’s history. The Supreme Court has said partisan gerrymandering done for political reasons is not its concern, but this year it reaffirmed that racial gerrymandering that keeps minorities shut out of the power structure is not allowed.

An endless series of adjustments has sought to address the issue of gerrymandering. These have ranged from major legislation like the Voting Rights Act in the 1960s to the adoption of nonpartisan or independent redistricting commissions in recent decades. The Congressional Research Service has a list of which states, many on the West Coast, have tried to de-politicize the process.

Trying again in Alabama after surprise Supreme Court loss
But lawmakers in multiple states continue to work hard to protect their party control, a battle that is being fought on multiple fronts.

Republicans in Alabama, for instance, unhappy with the Supreme Court’s decision this summer, essentially ignored the court by drawing a map that did not include an additional majority-Black district as the justices demanded. A federal court sent the state back to the drawing board again this week with the rebuke that it was “disturbed” by Alabama’s actions.

Alabama argued that creating a second majority-Black district would be a sort of “affirmative action.”

But the three-judge panel that threw out the map rejected that idea.

“The Voting Rights Act does not provide a leg up for Black voters – it merely prevents them from being kept down with regard to what is arguably the most ‘fundamental political right,’ in that it is ‘preservative of all rights’ – the right to vote.” Read more from CNN’s Fredreka Schouten and Ethan Cohen.

Alabama plans to appeal to the US Supreme Court again with an eye to changing Kavanaugh’s mind.

Gerrymandered lawmakers target anti-gerrymander judge
In Wisconsin, a Marquette University Law School review of data tells the story of how partisan gerrymandering – the kind the Supreme Court doesn’t concern itself with – makes it virtually impossible for Democrats to win the state’s assembly. When Gov. Tony Evers narrowly won statewide in 2018, he got 49.6%, or about half of the vote. But because of how the state’s legislative maps were drawn, the Republican then-Gov. Scott Walker got a majority in 63 of the state’s 99 assembly districts, just two fewer than in 2014, when Walker won a majority of votes in 2014.

It is lawmakers elected from Republican-friendly maps who now want to remove the liberal state Supreme Court justice, Janet Protasiewicz, from office in part for her opposition to the maps. Read more from CNN’s Eric Bradner.

North Carolina’s new Supreme Court overturns gerrymandering ruling
North Carolina Republicans tried to cut the state courts out of the federal redistricting and elections process altogether by pushing a fringe legal theory known as the “independent state legislature theory.” The US Supreme Court rejected that argument, which could have upended how federal elections are contested in a consequential decision earlier this year.

But North Carolina Republicans seem likely to ultimately get the map they want. Republicans gained a majority on the state’s Supreme Court this year, and the court has ruled it has no authority to oversee partisan gerrymandering.

New map in Louisiana
There are many more legal fights over congressional maps underway. The US Supreme Court in June also allowed for the Louisiana congressional map to be redrawn to allow for another majority-Black district.

From CNN’s report on the Louisiana decision by Tierney Sneed: “Louisiana state officials were sued last year for a congressional map – passed by the Republican legislature over Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards’ veto – that made only one of its six districts majority Black, despite the 2020 census showing that the state’s population is 33% Black.”

Congressional maps are in question in many states, including Georgia, where there is a trial underway in Atlanta.

Kentucky’s Supreme Court is set to hear arguments later this month about whether gerrymandered maps violate the state’s constitution.

On the flip side, Democrats are trying to get more friendly maps in New York, where a court-drawn map led them to lose congressional seats in 2022.

Supreme Court allowed maps it now rejects to be used in 2022
One way to view these court decisions is that the US Supreme Court allowing or insisting that maps in Alabama or Louisiana be redrawn could have a real impact on who controls Congress after the 2024 election. Republicans hold a tiny five-seat majority.

Another way to view these court decisions is that when the US Supreme Court allowed the GOP-drawn maps to be used in these states in the 2022 election, it helped Republicans gain that slim majority.
 
Open borders are a threat to democracy.
WEF, Mexican cartels and Dems (rip crew) all peas in a pod.
Local politics is the last defense.
 
I don't recall the Republicans so offended by South American cocaine fueling the 80s and 90s financial, media and political elites. Florida was the white snow capital of America!
The only immigration Republicans encourage is from Republican voting immigrants. Except the MAGA fringe is so racist, they only want white immigrants.
 
I don't recall the Republicans so offended by South American cocaine fueling the 80s and 90s financial, media and political elites. Florida was the white snow capital of America!
The only immigration Republicans encourage is from Republican voting immigrants. Except the MAGA fringe is so racist, they only want white immigrants.

Actually, Asians from Asia as illegal immigrants are in 2nd place behind illegal immigrants from South America. Thus, if the MAGA fringe wanted more white immigrants...they're doing a poor job of it because there are lots of white Europeans in Europe but the problem in the past decade...white Europeans are less attracted to America when other countries are more suitable. :D

Strangely, we rarely hear any thing about illegal immigrants from Asia. Statistical models predict illegal immigrants from Asia will surpass illegal immigrants from South America by 2055. That's a jaw-dropping prediction considering the location of Asia in comparison to South America on the southern U.S. border.

By the way, recently I flew to the U.S. to renew my driver's license...the top three languages offered for the written test in the state I applied were English, Spanish, and Chinese...above all other languages for the driver's written test.

I took the test in French and asked for a French speaker for the road test. I was lucky to be given a chatty woman that talked about her husband and her scuba diving adventures off the coast of France. :D

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Illegal immigrants from Asia are usually people who overstay their tourist or temp work visas. Trump said it himself, he wants immigrants from white countries, not understanding that very few Europeans care to move to the US.

I know for a fact that Chinese and Indian employers in the US regularly receive "guests" from their original country, who end up working 12 hour days, 7 days a week in US factories or construction sites for the maximum tourist visa duration. In 3 months they earn more than a year back home.
 
Illegal immigrants from Asia are usually people who overstay their tourist or temp work visas. Trump said it himself, he wants immigrants from white countries, not understanding that very few Europeans care to move to the US.

I know for a fact that Chinese and Indian employers in the US regularly receive "guests" from their original country, who end up working 12 hour days, 7 days a week in US factories or construction sites for the maximum tourist visa duration. In 3 months they earn more than a year back home.

Yeah, he lacks the understanding of why White immigrants are more likely to immigrate to another country instead of America.
  • America's lifestyle is built around automobiles...long commutes to work.
  • America lacks a compatible social healthcare system, decent public services, and high college tuition etc. Also, the America work system typically is 5 days and 2 days rest.
  • America's political system is too polarized around two political parties whereas in Europe...there are multiple political parties.
  • Most Europeans look down on America for its treatment of minorities, women, disabled and those with mental illness.
  • Violent crime in America is too high of a price to pay (risk) in comparison to Europe.
As someone stated...The US is OK for a visit, but here we’ve got attractive buildings and fabulous history and culture all around us and a proper healthcare system and good food and several weeks’ paid holiday and a very pleasant absence of loonies running around with guns, and loonies who are obsessed with race and religion...

There are many other reasons such as family values (e.g. I made a decision to start/raise my family outside of the United States) because the United States ranks poorly against other top 10 countries in "family" after I served in the U.S. military while a citizen of three countries (France, Canada, and the United States).

Regardless, my mother is White European and she has no regrets about immigrating to America (Kentucky) and loved being married to my old man (he was a U.S. military officer).

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Statistical models predict illegal immigrants from Asia will surpass illegal immigrants from South America by 2055. That's a jaw-dropping prediction considering the location of Asia in comparison to South America on the southern U.S. border.

A. Your chart shows that Asia has already surpassed South America.

B. South America is not on our southern border. North America is.
 
A. Your chart shows that Asia has already surpassed South America.

B. South America is not on our southern border. North America is.

Actually, I meant to reference that Asia is predicted to surpass Mexico & Central America in illegal immigrants by 2055. Thus, you're correct, illegal immigrants from Asia have already surpassed South America.

The jaw-dropping expectation by 2055 is because of the comparison to the below chart (declining since what looks like the end of 2015) that I forgot to post in my prior message.

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There's no explanation that I could find why the above numbers will reversed and go upwards to what would be in my opinion...record levels of Asians. Yet, recently vacationing in Chicago...it's noticeable that there are more Asians living there in comparison to before the pandemic and Chinatown has grown to levels that it's changing the political structure in the Chicago area.

Talking to an ex-military buddy from Texas...he said the Asian population (illegal immigrants) has grown "ridiculous" in Houston and Plano Texas. Simply, Asians are the fastest growing demographics in many suburbs of Texas.

Also, my youngest sibling lives in Kentucky. On his street, he's seen more Asian families move into the neighborhood in the past 3 years even during the Pandemic...two particular families are illegals (undocumented).

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Another statistic...most immigrating Asians (including illegals) are Catholic. :thumbsup:

Could we one day see an Asian U.S. President or Vice President ?

...Since the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was signed into law, removing barriers preventing African Americans from voting, the face of the American voter has gradually changed. During the 2020 elections, Asian Americans flexed their political muscle in presidential and congressional races, contributing to a record voter turnout across the nation.

Demographers and other experts say Asian Americans will steadily grow into a dominant force in American politics.

"Asian Americans have really come into prominence as a new electoral force to be reckoned with," said Sara Sadhwani, a senior researcher for AAPI Data.

The turnout of Asian American voters hit a historic high of nearly 60% in 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. By a margin of 68% to 28%, Asian Americans voted for Democrat Joe Biden over incumbent President Donald Trump, according to an election eve poll organized by the AAPI (Asian American and Pacific Islander) Civic Engagement Fund and 21 other organizations...

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_asian-americans-emerge-force-us-politics/6209066.html

P.S. My teenage son has a first girlfriend that's half Chinese and half Jewish. I've become a little more interested in the Asian & Jewish population here in Canada and the United States.

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Actually, I meant to reference that Asia is predicted to surpass Mexico & Central America in illegal immigrants by 2055. Thus, you're correct, illegal immigrants from Asia have already surpassed South America.

The jaw-dropping expectation by 2055 is because of the comparison to the below chart (declining since what looks like the end of 2015) that I forgot to post in my prior message.

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There's no explanation that I could find why the above numbers will reversed and go upwards to what would be in my opinion...record levels of Asians. Yet, recently vacationing in Chicago...it's noticeable that there are more Asians living there in comparison to before the pandemic and Chinatown has grown to levels that it's changing the political structure in the Chicago area.

Talking to an ex-military buddy from Texas...he said the Asian population (illegal immigrants) has grown "ridiculous" in Houston and Plano Texas. Simply, Asians are the fastest growing demographics in many suburbs of Texas.

Also, my youngest sibling lives in Kentucky. On his street, he's seen more Asian families move into the neighborhood in the past 3 years even during the Pandemic...two particular families are illegals (undocumented).

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Another statistic...most immigrating Asians (including illegals) are Catholic. :thumbsup:

Could we one day see an Asian U.S. President or Vice President ?

...Since the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was signed into law, removing barriers preventing African Americans from voting, the face of the American voter has gradually changed. During the 2020 elections, Asian Americans flexed their political muscle in presidential and congressional races, contributing to a record voter turnout across the nation.

Demographers and other experts say Asian Americans will steadily grow into a dominant force in American politics.

"Asian Americans have really come into prominence as a new electoral force to be reckoned with," said Sara Sadhwani, a senior researcher for AAPI Data.

The turnout of Asian American voters hit a historic high of nearly 60% in 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. By a margin of 68% to 28%, Asian Americans voted for Democrat Joe Biden over incumbent President Donald Trump, according to an election eve poll organized by the AAPI (Asian American and Pacific Islander) Civic Engagement Fund and 21 other organizations...

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_asian-americans-emerge-force-us-politics/6209066.html

P.S. My teenage son has a first girlfriend that's half Chinese and half Jewish. I've become a little more interested in the Asian & Jewish population here in Canada and the United States.

wrbtrader

You keep using the word Asian, an American only used misnomer to group 2/3 of the world's population. It would make sense to be more specific to describe who you mean to describe, like Southeast Asian, Far East Asian, South Asian, etc... Personally, I think it's best to simply name the country you're referring to, like China in your instance.

I grew up in Oakland, CA which, in the 60s, used to be clearly demarcated between the blacks living in the flat lands and the whites living in the hills. Blacks were not welcomed to move to the hills and most whites were too scared to drive through the flat lands.
Early on, Chinese shops had opened in what was no white people land near downtown and the cheapest real estate they could buy. Through the 70s and 80s more Chinese moved in, enough to create a vibrant Chinatown. The relationship between Blacks and Chinese was bumpy but the Chinese were relentlessly pushing the boundaries of what has become one of the city's most vibrant areas. Chinese gentrification of the area (about 5 x 3 blocks) made Oakland safer for other groups to set up businesses and today downtown Oakland is far more diversified than anytime in its history and the safest it has ever been for anyone.
Over the past decades, many poor areas have transitioned from Blacks to Central Americans and Blacks moved to more distant suburbs.
Interestingly, during the development of the Chinese neighborhood, many Vietnamese fleeing the Communist takeover of their country moved to an adjacent neighborhood, but it became a drugs/prostitution/crime infested area with frequent killings and fights with black gangs. Of course, most Americans can't make the difference between Chinese and Vietnamese and tended to group the lot as an Asian invasion, but locals knew better not to confuse Chinatown with Little Saigon.
Also thankfully, Oakland today is far more segregated by income class than race and the hills are as diverse as can be.
 
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