The Smoking Gun In Obama's IRS Scandal

Quote from piezoe:

That's interesting about the Washington Bureau of WSJ. Thanks. I know very little to nothing about those other organizations you mentioned. Soros is a very complicated man, as there are nuances to his stances. He might give financial support to a cause or organization, for example, that he does not agree with entirely, but considers the alternative to be much worse.

I have read a considerable portion of what he has written, and I have read what others have written about him, including the comments here on ET. The latter were of no use in trying to understand this complex individual, because they were almost entirely futile attempts to associate his positions with someone else the writer thought unsavory, or brand him with a silly label, such as "lefty." I don't even know what is meant by that. I have the impression that those who are saying that Soros is a "lefty" don't know what a lefty is either, but they obviously, from their tone, think it's a bad thing.

Soros is a proponent of good government, so it is understandable why those who hate government, and want government to disappear from their lives, would not like him. This would probably be especially true of the crowd that sees a government conspiracy everywhere they look.

The more I read, the more I am beginning to believe that George Soros is among the people of the world that have had the greatest beneficial impact on humanity. Quite out of character compared to the stereotype of former hedge fund managers.

I read (twice) his lectures at the Central European University , which he founded and endowed by the way, and that little book is the single most important work on markets I have ever read, and I read a lot! I can highly recommend this book to you if you are interested in making money from the markets.

I find Soros perplexing. I agree with you that his book is remarkable, as is his record in the markets. It's dumbfounding to me that he would support socialism. I have to judge him by his works, and they include some of the most odious and dishonest far left groups in the country. He no doubt talks a good game, but I am more impressed by where his money goes and what he supports. Like Obama, he has an agenda that is profoundly out of step with the traditions upon which our country was founded and which made it great.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I find Soros perplexing. I agree with you that his book is remarkable, as is his record in the markets. It's dumbfounding to me that he would support socialism. I have to judge him by his works, and they include some of the most odious and dishonest far left groups in the country. He no doubt talks a good game, but I am more impressed by where his money goes and what he supports. Like Obama, he has an agenda that is profoundly out of step with the traditions upon which our country was founded and which made it great.

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Quote from Tsing Tao:

No one is a proponent of bad government, and no one (that I know) thinks government should disappear from our lives. But there is a balance that needs to be struck, and government has gone way beyond that balance long ago. It is no longer a benevolent entity, looking to support it's people. It is a cancerous tumor that destroys creativity, stifles growth and robs us of our future.

If Soros were what you claimed he was, he would be railing against the current administration with all his (considerable) might.
Thank you. You have more in common with George Soros than you may realize. Your concerns are Soros' as well.

Here is a small snippet of what George Soros has to say:

"I believe that open society is endangered worldwide. Of course, open society is always endangered and people must constantly reaffirm their commitment to the idea for open society to endure; what I fear is that we are closer to failing the test than on previous occasions...

Deliberately misleading propaganda techniques can destroy an open society. Nazi propaganda methods were powerful enough to destroy the Weimar Republic. Those methods have been imported into the United States and further refined. Although democracy has much deeper roots in America than in Germany, it is not immune to deliberate deception...

We need to undertake a profound rethinking and recognize that half truths are misleading. The fact that your opponent is wrong does not make you right. We must come to terms with the fact that we live in as inherently imperfect society in which both markets and government regulations are bound to fall short of perfection. The task is to reduce the imperfections and make both private enterprise and government work better." [italics mine]
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

No one is a proponent of bad government, and no one (that I know) thinks government should disappear from our lives. But there is a balance that needs to be struck, and government has gone way beyond that balance long ago. It is no longer a benevolent entity, looking to support it's people. It is a cancerous tumor that destroys creativity, stifles growth and robs us of our future.

If Soros were what you claimed he was, he would be railing against the current administration with all his (considerable) might.

+ <s>One Dollar</s> er about .50c or so.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I find Soros perplexing. I agree with you that his book is remarkable, as is his record in the markets. It's dumbfounding to me that he would support socialism. I have to judge him by his works, and they include some of the most odious and dishonest far left groups in the country. He no doubt talks a good game, but I am more impressed by where his money goes and what he supports. Like Obama, he has an agenda that is profoundly out of step with the traditions upon which our country was founded and which made it great.

If you have time or interest you might read the book about his philanthropic activities. I gave the reference earlier, but to tell you the truth I only wanted to read the introduction by soros himself to try and get more incite into what makes this amazing man tick.

Basically he wants governments to be more responsive to people and to conduct their business in an open and forthright manner, And I understand now why it takes an entire book to describe his most recent philanthropic activities, which extend over the globe to places you or I would never think of going.

Here are a couple excerpts from Soros' written intro to the book on the Open Society's philanthropic work.

Here he is on the TRAP program: "I passionately disagreed with Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's plan to bail out the banks by using a public fund called TARP to take toxic assets off their balance sheets. I argued that it would be much better to put the money where the hole was and replenish the equity of banks. I worked closely with the democratic leadership in Congress to modify the TARP Act so as to allow the money to be used for the purchase of equity interests. I had many other ideas I hoped to put into practice when Obama became President, including a fundamental reform of the mortgage system, but that did not happen. I published a series of articles in the Financial Times but got little response from the Obama administration. I had many more discussions with Larry Summers before he became the president's economic adviser than after. My greatest disappointment was that I was unable to establish any kind of personal contact with President Obama himself."

And here he is on the "War on Terror", and the "Enlightenment Fallacy:"
"...The United States has been a democracy and open society since its founding. The idea that it will cease to be one seems preposterous; yet it is a very likely prospect. After 9/11, the Bush administration exploited the very real fear generated by the terrorist attack, and by declaring war on terror was able to unite the nation behind the commander-in-chief, lead it to invade Iraq on false pretenses, and violate established standards of human rights in pursuing terrorists.

...the war on terror forced me to reconsider the concept of open society. My experiences in the former Soviet Union ...taught me that the collapse of a closed society does not automatically lead to a open society... Now I had to probe deeper into the concept of open society which I had adopted from Karl Popper in my student days, and I discovered a flaw in it. ...Popper's hidden assumption that freedom of speech and thought will produce a better understanding of reality is valid only for the study of natural phenomena. Extending it to human affairs is part of what I have called the "Enlightenment fallacy."

There follows a section where he discusses, Republican and Democrat politics in the Bush/Obama period, but you have to read the entire discourse to realize that he is neither a democrat nor a republican and does not fit particularly well with either party's politics. He believes both parties to be mired in half truths. But his greatest displeasure is most assuredly reserved for the Republicans whom he accuses of deliberate Orwellian techniques and taking political advantage of the Enlightenment Fallacy to mislead the public. It seems he looks on the Democrats as less malicious bunglers, relegated to "...fighting a rearguard battle, defending the other half of the truth. "

Soros is an amazingly deep thinker that requires an actively thinking reader. You don't read Soros for entertainment, you read him to learn.
 
Quote from piezoe:


Soros is an amazingly deep thinker that requires an actively thinking reader. You don't read Soros for entertainment, you read him to learn.

Or you have an inexplicable need to slime your soul and a copy of Mein Kampf isn't handy.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Or you have an inexplicable need to slime your soul and a copy of Mein Kampf isn't handy.
+ 1 Some are fooled so easily by the dribble those like Soros put out.
 
Quote from pspr:

LOL I'll bet you believe in man made global warming, too, and that it is going to destroy the planet.

How naïve. :D
I believe it is incontrovertible that the Earth is in a warming cycle. CO2 does contribute to trapping of infrared (heat) radiated from the Earths surface as does water vapor. Water vapor is three times as important as CO2 in that regard. Modeling of the atmosphere is very complicated because of all the feedback loops and many other interactions involved. No one has done it well enough yet to have their results widely accepted as correct.

The jury is still out with regard to how important anthropomorphic CO2 is in the current warming cycle. Atmosphere experts (meteorologists) are divided on this issue. The smartest among them exercise caution in drawing a conclusion on the main question.

I am a scientist, but I am not a meteorologist. Only the opinions of meteorologists should matter in this regard. I gave you my opinion because you made a bet. A bet you have lost.
 
Quote from pspr:

This multi-page story paints an incriminating connection of meetings and actions between the Anti-Tea Party IRS Employee's Union (the NETU) and the Obama White House surrounding the IRS political targeting scandal. I've just reprinted the conclusion below:
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In 1974, “the smoking gun” was a tape recording that ended the Nixon presidency.

In 1998, the smoking gun was a blue dress — and it almost undid Bill Clinton’s White House.

Now the all-too-familiar pattern of scandal and its day-by-day drip-drip-drip nature has begun to set in. Newsmax is now quoting Washington attorney and conservative activist Cleta Mitchell as saying:

“There were nearly 100 groups across the country that got the very egregious set of letters from the IRS that were almost identical and they came from offices all over the country, so I know of at least 85 to 90, maybe more, organizations.”

Regular American all over the country are coming forward with their stories. Understanding the relationship between the Obama White House and the IRS union will be a must for congressional investigators.

President Obama is coming perilously closer to becoming the new Nixon. The next Bill Clinton.

And once again, as news of exactly what a president was doing in the Oval Office on a particular day and time goes public, yet again the old question becomes new.

What did the President know? And when did he know it?


Full Story
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/05/20/obama-and-the-irs-the-smoking/
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PSR;
CNN has an important addition to that news story;
search ''irs' ACLJ is suing the IRS on behalf of 25 groups + punitive damages .Thier chief counsel has worked for the IRS, in years past ..........................................CNN online Wed, MAY 29, also today,TV thur,/CNN .
 
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