The Shocking Truth about 'Segregated' Accounts

Quote from sprstpd:

What interest?

In Thailand, 3.25% p.a. on a fixed 5 month deposit, more readily available funds in a savings account getting 0.875% (which is not attractive by any means).
 
Quote from TILT2:

Just wonder if what you said is true, then how could MF Global use its clients money to back its own trading?

How does one stop Bernie Madoff, or for that matter, any illegal activity where there is fiduciary responsibility required ? I'm not justifying or making excuses.

But to imply that switching segregated status is a legal and common tactic is pure bullshit.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Technically and legally, they could NOT. No different than stealing from customer accounts.

If your broker does this, not sure what recourse you'd have as a customer to recover your money... besides the standard "file suit and queue-up".

File suit with what cash exactly? Don't you lot understand YOU ONLY FIND OUT THEY ARE DOING IT WHEN IT IS TOO LATE, JUST LIKE KERVIEL.....
 
Quote from Joovenile Jatt:

File suit with what cash exactly? Don't you lot understand YOU ONLY FIND OUT THEY ARE DOING IT WHEN IT IS TOO LATE, JUST LIKE KERVIEL.....
Exactly. I wonder can I open a fx account in some bank? That should be relatively safer compared with opening an account in the ordinary brokers. I heard that Dukascopy and MIG have good reputation, all swiss banks... But they only comply with the swiss financial regulation instead of NFA or FSA regulations.
 
Exchange Actions Re: MF Global Inc.

Effective immediately, ICE Clear U.S. will no longer accept transfers of positions from MF Global to another clearing member, and will no longer accept liquidating trades for MF Global accounts. These measures are being taken in order to facilitate the possibility of effecting a bulk transfer of MF Global customer accounts to one or more clearing members.
 
Quote from Joovenile Jatt:

File suit with what cash exactly? Don't you lot understand YOU ONLY FIND OUT THEY ARE DOING IT WHEN IT IS TOO LATE, JUST LIKE KERVIEL.....

Like I said... "not much recourse".

This MF case is the first I've heard of a broker violating the segregation rule in this manner. You've suggested "it goes on all the time but is not reported".. I doubt that. I've had about a half-dozen CFTC audits and a couple from the SEC. "Segregation of Customer funds" is a REALLY big deal to the regulators... doubt it gets violated regularly in the way MF has apparently done.

I remember a local CPO who "accidentally" violated the segregation rule by commingling over just a weekend... he caught a ration of shit for it when the CFTC audited.
 
Let's establish one thing: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SEGREGATED ACCOUNT HOLDERS HAVE TO BE PART OF THE BANKRUPTCY PROCESS AND QUEUE UP WITH UNSECURED CREDITORS LIKE JP MORGAN?

Is that true? Is that set in stone?
 
Quote from Ash1972:

Let's establish one thing: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SEGREGATED ACCOUNT HOLDERS HAVE TO BE PART OF THE BANKRUPTCY PROCESS AND QUEUE UP WITH UNSECURED CREDITORS LIKE JP MORGAN?

Is that true? Is that set in stone?
If your money in the sg account is stolen, what's the point of it?
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Like I said... "not much recourse".

This MF case is the first I've heard of a broker violating the segregation rule in this manner. You've suggested "it goes on all the time but is not reported".. I doubt that. I've had about a half-dozen CFTC audits and a couple from the SEC. "Segregation of Customer funds" is a REALLY big deal to the regulators... doubt it gets violated regularly in the way MF has apparently done.

I remember a local CPO who "accidentally" violated the segregation rule by commingling over just a weekend... he caught a ration of shit for it when the CFTC audited.
Personally I believe MF Global is not the first one and not the only one. Some brokers must have done it before, but they are stilling hiding in the shadow and have not been exposed yet unless they face bankruptcy or serious financial problems.
 
Quote from TILT2:

If your money in the sg account is stolen, what's the point of it?

Only 12% has been stolen. We should count ourselves very, very lucky just for that :)
 
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