The Repudiation of God

In my understanding of the Bible, Morality is the territory of humans. We have the knowledge of good and evil, and we can choose between the two. Animals are innocent even in their cruelty because they have no concept of morality.

I vehemently disagree.


These are amazing stories. You will never look at an animal the same way ever again. You should also question where Morality comes from. Since we evolved from "lower" animals, we probably also inherited their sense of Morality.

No need to invoke God.



Animal heroes that save other species : Five amazing stories


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Twist in the tail
Alexander Wilson

By Julia Brown

Sometimes animals seem to heroically help creatures that are not only unrelated to them, but belong to another species. No one is yet sure why these animals do it. Robert Pitman saw humpback whales saving a seal from a group of killer whales and suggests it might be a case of inadvertent altruism. Here are five other examples of animals going beyond their Darwinian duty.

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This orca was all set for an easy meal — until the humpback appeared
Kathryn Jeffs / NaturePL


Read more: I saw humpback whales save a seal from death by killer whale

Dolphin guides stranded pilot whales
In 2008, two pygmy sperm whales became stranded on a beach in New Zealand. Local people tried to help the mother and her calf reach deeper water, but the distressed animals seemed unable to get past a long sandbank blocking their escape, according to the Associated Press. Then a bottlenose dolphin arrived. It approached the whales, then appeared to guide them along the sandbank and out into open water.

Bear lifts crow out of water
In 2014, a bear was filmed at Budapest Zoo in Hungary apparently helping a crow that had fallen into the pool in its enclosure and was struggling to get out. After fishing out the bird, the bear made no move to eat or interact further with the crow.


Sperm whales adopt malformed dolphin
In 2011, two researchers from the Leibniz Institute of Freshwater Ecology and Inland Fisheries in Germany travelled to the Azores to observe sperm whales. They started following a group that included several whale calves and were surprised to see among them an adult male bottlenose dolphin with a twisted spine (pictured above). It travelled with the whales, foraging and playing with both the adults and young. It’s possible the whales allowed the dolphin to tag along because of some misplaced parental instincts, the researchers suggest, or merely because it was “non-threatening and sociable”.

Dolphins shield swimmers from shark
There are many stories of dolphins rescuing humans in trouble. One dramatic example took place in 2004. Lifeguard Rob Howes and three teenagers were swimming off a beach in New Zealand when seven dolphins suddenly appeared. They swam in tight circles around the group and slapped their tails on the water, and it was then that Howes noticed a large grey shape that he recognised as a great white shark. The dolphins circled them for 40 minutes until the shark left.

Dog detects owner’s breast cancer
In 2009, researcher Claire Guest’s pet dog began repeatedly nuzzling and pawing at her chest. Alarmed, she went to get the area checked out and was diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer. There are numerous examples of dogs detecting cancer in their owners. Guest was already well aware that dogs could do this and had previously set up the charity Medical Detection Dogs. The charity’s dogs are now participating in clinical trials.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...species-five-amazing-stories/?utm_source=NSNS
 
a. I have never thought about whether the bible teaches that animals have no concept of morality.so would you mind linking to that... you may be correct... I am just asking.

I thought God created man in his image and that God was perfection.
That sin is when we miss that mark and that our lack of perfection separates us. (we need external help with that)

Morality is a different question.
I just found this... it seems interesting...


Genesis 9:5-6New International Version (NIV)

5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting.I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God has God made mankind.

side note...
so maybe God does have plans for animals if he demands an accounting.
this may interest my wife and kids as our newish cat was probably eaten by coyotes 3 nights ago.

In my understanding of the Bible, Morality is the territory of humans. We have the knowledge of good and evil, and we can choose between the two. Animals are innocent even in their cruelty because they have no concept of morality.

I vehemently disagree.


These are amazing stories. You will never look at an animal the same way ever again. You should also question where Morality comes from. Since we evolved from "lower" animals, we probably also inherited their sense of Morality.

No need to invoke God.



Animal heroes that save other species : Five amazing stories


wilson_cetacean3.jpg.jpg

Twist in the tail
Alexander Wilson

By Julia Brown

Sometimes animals seem to heroically help creatures that are not only unrelated to them, but belong to another species. No one is yet sure why these animals do it. Robert Pitman saw humpback whales saving a seal from a group of killer whales and suggests it might be a case of inadvertent altruism. Here are five other examples of animals going beyond their Darwinian duty.

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This orca was all set for an easy meal — until the humpback appeared
Kathryn Jeffs / NaturePL


Read more: I saw humpback whales save a seal from death by killer whale

Dolphin guides stranded pilot whales
In 2008, two pygmy sperm whales became stranded on a beach in New Zealand. Local people tried to help the mother and her calf reach deeper water, but the distressed animals seemed unable to get past a long sandbank blocking their escape, according to the Associated Press. Then a bottlenose dolphin arrived. It approached the whales, then appeared to guide them along the sandbank and out into open water.

Bear lifts crow out of water
In 2014, a bear was filmed at Budapest Zoo in Hungary apparently helping a crow that had fallen into the pool in its enclosure and was struggling to get out. After fishing out the bird, the bear made no move to eat or interact further with the crow.


Sperm whales adopt malformed dolphin
In 2011, two researchers from the Leibniz Institute of Freshwater Ecology and Inland Fisheries in Germany travelled to the Azores to observe sperm whales. They started following a group that included several whale calves and were surprised to see among them an adult male bottlenose dolphin with a twisted spine (pictured above). It travelled with the whales, foraging and playing with both the adults and young. It’s possible the whales allowed the dolphin to tag along because of some misplaced parental instincts, the researchers suggest, or merely because it was “non-threatening and sociable”.

Dolphins shield swimmers from shark
There are many stories of dolphins rescuing humans in trouble. One dramatic example took place in 2004. Lifeguard Rob Howes and three teenagers were swimming off a beach in New Zealand when seven dolphins suddenly appeared. They swam in tight circles around the group and slapped their tails on the water, and it was then that Howes noticed a large grey shape that he recognised as a great white shark. The dolphins circled them for 40 minutes until the shark left.

Dog detects owner’s breast cancer
In 2009, researcher Claire Guest’s pet dog began repeatedly nuzzling and pawing at her chest. Alarmed, she went to get the area checked out and was diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer. There are numerous examples of dogs detecting cancer in their owners. Guest was already well aware that dogs could do this and had previously set up the charity Medical Detection Dogs. The charity’s dogs are now participating in clinical trials.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...species-five-amazing-stories/?utm_source=NSNS
 
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In my understanding of the Bible, Morality is the territory of humans. We have the knowledge of good and evil, and we can choose between the two. Animals are innocent even in their cruelty because they have no concept of morality.

I vehemently disagree.


These are amazing stories. You will never look at an animal the same way ever again. You should also question where Morality comes from. Since we evolved from "lower" animals, we probably also inherited their sense of Morality.

No need to invoke God.



Animal heroes that save other species : Five amazing stories


wilson_cetacean3.jpg.jpg

Twist in the tail
Alexander Wilson

By Julia Brown

Sometimes animals seem to heroically help creatures that are not only unrelated to them, but belong to another species. No one is yet sure why these animals do it. Robert Pitman saw humpback whales saving a seal from a group of killer whales and suggests it might be a case of inadvertent altruism. Here are five other examples of animals going beyond their Darwinian duty.

View attachment 167565
This orca was all set for an easy meal — until the humpback appeared
Kathryn Jeffs / NaturePL


Read more: I saw humpback whales save a seal from death by killer whale

Dolphin guides stranded pilot whales
In 2008, two pygmy sperm whales became stranded on a beach in New Zealand. Local people tried to help the mother and her calf reach deeper water, but the distressed animals seemed unable to get past a long sandbank blocking their escape, according to the Associated Press. Then a bottlenose dolphin arrived. It approached the whales, then appeared to guide them along the sandbank and out into open water.

Bear lifts crow out of water
In 2014, a bear was filmed at Budapest Zoo in Hungary apparently helping a crow that had fallen into the pool in its enclosure and was struggling to get out. After fishing out the bird, the bear made no move to eat or interact further with the crow.


Sperm whales adopt malformed dolphin
In 2011, two researchers from the Leibniz Institute of Freshwater Ecology and Inland Fisheries in Germany travelled to the Azores to observe sperm whales. They started following a group that included several whale calves and were surprised to see among them an adult male bottlenose dolphin with a twisted spine (pictured above). It travelled with the whales, foraging and playing with both the adults and young. It’s possible the whales allowed the dolphin to tag along because of some misplaced parental instincts, the researchers suggest, or merely because it was “non-threatening and sociable”.

Dolphins shield swimmers from shark
There are many stories of dolphins rescuing humans in trouble. One dramatic example took place in 2004. Lifeguard Rob Howes and three teenagers were swimming off a beach in New Zealand when seven dolphins suddenly appeared. They swam in tight circles around the group and slapped their tails on the water, and it was then that Howes noticed a large grey shape that he recognised as a great white shark. The dolphins circled them for 40 minutes until the shark left.

Dog detects owner’s breast cancer
In 2009, researcher Claire Guest’s pet dog began repeatedly nuzzling and pawing at her chest. Alarmed, she went to get the area checked out and was diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer. There are numerous examples of dogs detecting cancer in their owners. Guest was already well aware that dogs could do this and had previously set up the charity Medical Detection Dogs. The charity’s dogs are now participating in clinical trials.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...species-five-amazing-stories/?utm_source=NSNS
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