The reason why Christianity seems so unrealistic and naive
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That would fall into category #1. Another conceptualization of God.
But you're making a contradiction of sorts. If man doesn't understand God, then man can't conceptualize God. We don't run around conceptualizing things we don't understand. It's not possible. Think about why? That's the reason why every conceptualization of gods to date requires some sort of anthropomorphism in the description. Humans base their gods on concepts they can understand. Adding sentience to a string membrane is anthropomorphizing it.
You're trying to get at the notion that we can never say that there isn't a god. You must be careful with that because then we must never say never to anything. Something which would render every imagination that is vain, extraordinary, or fanciful, forever possibly valid.
Consider the far reaching implications of that. What you are advocating also falls back to you. You would have to embrace the notion that there isn't a god as a possibility. Worse still, you would have to embrace the possible validity of the existence of the other gods that humans currently believe in. Even the ones that are clearly a figment of their imagination.
Are you prepared to do that?
It is not that difficult to be logical here.
Yes - there might not be a God.
Yes - there might be a God
there might be a "Continum" of Gods with a Guy named Q... who bugs star ship captains.
For me the basic question is - did an entity make our universe and perhaps the followup is - did he she it intend to?
I understand I may have an imperfect understand of entity and perhaps even make.
no Stu - its called logic. You are so emotional on this subject.
You do not even understand I was setting a baseline for my argument. I was implictly defining my side.
If you were capable of logic on this subject you would understand that.
Someone brought up strings before....
Presumably a string would not have consciousness it would not be aware of its creation. I would not call that string a Creator or God for the sake of this argument....
If the first cause is not aware of its creation... then you would be able to say I am wrong.
I was setting a baseline - not trying to "scientize" my argument the way you attempted to do for years.
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We're good then.
LOL. Great character in TNG. Brilliant. Best scene IMO was the tribunal. "He doesn't understand!" Hilarious.
Perfectly fair postulation.
No worries, I doubt anyone does. Though, optional777 probably thinks he/she does. (<---Don't poke the troll.)
Whenever your argument falls over and has become illogical, you invariably shout "logic" and accuse me of being emotional.
Yes, someone brought up strings before and then you said this...
"God might be an omniscient omnipotent string membrane. "
I asked why would you give something that already had it's own name and scientific explanation, a different name and a non scientific explanation?
Now you've morphed that into not calling a string membrane God, not because it isn't anything to do with omniscient or omnipotent, but because to call it God, a string membrane would need a consciousness and be aware of its creation.
You'd call it God , because it had consciousness and would be aware of its creation?!?
My point remains the same. String membranes were introduced to you only via science. They have nothing to do with omniscience, omnipotence, consciousness, or awareness of their own creation .
So you make up arbitrary nonsensical conditions for a God thing (religious) as your only response to string membranes (scientific)
I ask again .Why try to turn a scientific explanation into questions about God? Is it just to try and get some reflected glory for religion from science ?
Time for you to shout "logic" again.
Your first cause God .....would have to be created?? Do you even have half a clue where you're setting your baseline in the first place, or what it is you are even trying to say or suggest?
You've mentioned it twice in one post. A first cause to be called God, needs to be aware if its creation!! God was created?!?
When you call for logic then you'll have to start somewhere to "scientize" what you are saying, otherwise stop trying to pretend you're having anything to do with logic.
Time for you to cry "emotional" again.
No rational man can deny your logic!
Quote from killthesunshine:
No rational man can deny your logic!
true enough but christians are taught to suspend reason:
"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of
spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the
divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
father of modern Protestant christianity, Martin Luther
No rational man would presuppose that the human mind is devoid of faith...in something.
Quote from killthesunshine:
No rational man can deny your logic!