you are irrational but the amusing thing about it all is you don't know it..
but a few of us can see it..in spades
your in good company with all the other "believers'
The reason why Christianity seems so unrealistic and naive
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you are irrational but the amusing thing about it all is you don't know it..
but a few of us can see it..in spades
your in good company with all the other "believers'
longshot, you are hardly in a position to judge the rationality of another, especially when it comes to personal belief systems...
I mean, I actually pity the poor slobs who let any group of "we" determine their own personal belief systems.
The stupidity of "us vs. them" when it comes to personal belief systems is just ridiculous.
I will claim, and know for a fact based on human nature, that if the resident atheists were actually content in their own atheism, they would have no need to judge the beliefs of atheists...
I mean, I actually pity the poor slobs who let any group of "we" determine their own personal belief systems.
The stupidity of "us vs. them" when it comes to personal belief systems is just ridiculous.
I will claim, and know for a fact based on human nature, that if the resident atheists were actually content in their own atheism, they would have no need to judge the beliefs of atheists...
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you are irrational but the amusing thing about it all is you don't know it..
but a few of us can see it..in spades
your in good company with all the other "believers'
I just love reading these atheists... So smug in their false reality.
ET atheist are the biggest comedy on the internet. I tuned in to this thread just for the laughs.
The et atheists sort of piss on themselves pretending to be smart and superior...
while real scientists are like wtf... the universe looks designed and we have no scientific proof to explain it away. (So real scientists make conjectures about alternate universes.)
ET atheist are the biggest comedy on the internet. I tuned in to this thread just for the laughs.
The et atheists sort of piss on themselves pretending to be smart and superior...
while real scientists are like wtf... the universe looks designed and we have no scientific proof to explain it away. (So real scientists make conjectures about alternate universes.)
personal belief is one thing but PROOF trumps haha
ps prove your belief for greater weight
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All one requires to be a judge is cognitive reasoning ability. The more adept, the better. If the logic holds up the only thing one has to complain about is lack of proof. But at least it would be a situation where one can say," well the jury is still out." If the logic is faulty, the proof non-existent, yet the adherent insists on both being real, the adherent is by definition, irrational.
Mmm. Okay. I originally sensed your delusion of grandeur. You confirm it yet again. Fact is, as humans, we stand on each other's shoulders. For better or for worse.
Well yeah it is. Especially considering that these belief systems cannot substantiate their claims. Which really isn't all that big of a bother. It's when they use these unsubstantiated claims to harm or impede upon others that it becomes a real issue.
I think you mean theists at the end.
Why do atheists judge? Well, look at it this way. If someone comes to you and says, 1+1=3 while you can show that in all cases that you know, it is 2, wouldn't you like to know how they came up with 3? And when you see how they did it, if it just doesn't add up, wouldn't you try to show them why and where they are going wrong? And then they insist that you only come up with 2 because you're missing a key element to the equation. You ask about that element but they tel you all sorts of things about it that just don't make any sense. SO you ask for proof. The respond with everything but.
Are you content to just let them be or would you like to help them further to see what's wrong with their reasoning? And if they can't be helped, perhaps someone else who might come to an unthinking conclusion may be helped.
great post!
don't miss HER admission..
"I believe in God.
I am not privy to anything. "
LOL
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What is odd is that you term materialism a false reality when it is the same reality you know and experience. Unless you are positing another reality which either underpins or supersedes the material reality.
It's not about being smart or superior. It's simply a matter of rational versus irrational. Some beliefs or interpretations of sacred texts can be quite rational. Only thing they are missing is proof to back up their claims and support their assertions.
Most beliefs and interpretations of sacred texts are irrational. The more literal without reason, the more irrational.
That some scientists see the universe as designed is perfectly fine. What you need to understand is that postulating something not based on the material observed universe or some derivative of such is outside the bounds and precepts of science. Could it be a "god?" Perhaps. But you'd have to define it first. As it is, God is undefined. Ask two theists for a comprehensive description of God and you will come away with three versions. So can you fault science for sticking with what they know and can possibly prove?
Their false reality. is a a false reality...
Mine is not... I while I have faith in God... I do not claim I can prove his existence. I suspect he exists but I am not in possession of scientific proof. My position is completely logical.
True atheists are fools. They can not prove there is no God.
therefore it is hilarious to seem them make assess of themselves as they pretend to hold an intellectually sound position based on current science.
Two.... top physicists and nobel prize winners state that the universe (if there is only one universe) looks designed.
If the top anti creationist admits that science has not answer for the fine tunings.
The fine tunings can not be explained by current scientific evidence.
That is what to physicists and nobel prize winners say. To combat the design inference they make conjectures about infinite other universes.
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This of course makes no sense. The study of the material world thrusts upon the observer, reality. For what else is there?
In any event...
Indeed, the fine tunings cannot be explained. Of course "fine tuning" is a presupposition in an of itself. The universe and life on earth is what it is.
But should the inability to properly account for the presupposition that the universe appears fine tuned necessitate "god did it" as a satisfactory and falsifiable answer?
Here's what you don't seem to understand; it's OK to believe God did it. It's not OK to ASSERT that God did it. Belief doesn't require proof. Well, not testable and verifiable proof. Everyone believes something. Nature of humans.
But when you ASSERT something, you are obligated to prove it otherwise your assertion is false. False until proven otherwise.
That's all there is to it.
So if a scientist says, "all this complexity and patterns, gee the universe appears designed." Great. No assertion here because of the word "appears." He might get a proper ribbing from his colleagues. But most pioneering and inquiring minds do.
IF a scientist says, "the universe is a matter of design." Uh-oh. Now we have a problem. He's made an assertion. He will now be obligated to support and prove his assertion.
I'm showing you a very simplified version of the process so we don't get bogged down too much with technical definitions and procedures.
Also, the notion of "can't prove there isn't a god" presupposes that there is one. It's an absurd position to take on account of the lack of evidence that would prove that there is one. I'm sure you've heard it before but oddly chose to ignore it - you can't prove a negative.
Lastly, so you don't walk away empty handed and without validation; is there a god?
It's possible. But which one? Which religion has it right? Past or present. If you understand religion with any depth, you will note that all the gods ever imagined are so disparate that they can't refer to the same ones through the ages or currently. So what exactly is a god? What does it do and what doesn't it do? What are its qualities? Where does it exist? Does it have limits? The list is long but necessary to distinguish it from other natural phenomena.
To get "high" on the notion of god, one must take extraordinary steps to truly consider its existence. A leap of faith, while sufficient on an individual level, has no value on a corporate level. Everyone appears to believe in a slightly different god. One tailor made for their personality. Whereas you take gravity, an unknown force, it is something everyone sees and experiences in the same predictable manner. That my friend is reality.