The Real Reason Romney Lost

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And it turns out it is a lot scarier than we imagined.


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AMERICA NEARS EL TIPPING POINTO

Ann Coulter
December 5, 2012


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In 1980, Hispanics were only 2 percent of the population, and they tended to be educated, skilled workers who got married, raised their children in two-parent families and sent their kids to college before they, too, got married and had kids. (In that order.)


That profile has nothing to do with recent Hispanic immigrants, who -- because of phony "family reunification" rules -- are the poorest of the world's poor.

More than half of all babies born to Hispanic women today are illegitimate.
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Quote from Lucrum:

We have numerous idiots right here who actually think this is a good thing.
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Lucrum, why is your stepdaughter and her baby live with you and your wife?
 
Quote from walter4:

Finally someone said it..
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You're a flyweight just like spike, you chime in like a chihuahua when the big dogs are talking and you think you make good points whilst everybody else just laughs at you.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

That's bullshit,cap.

democrats certainly want the illegal vote and republicans are not going to get it no matter what they do.

I have no idea why some republicans think granting large swaths of illegals a path to citizenship is the answer,: why republicans want to get more democrat voters is beyond my comprehension.

The notion that "business/elites on the right want the cheap labor" of illegal immigrants in the US ( on a large enough scale to matter) is complete crap and has no logical basis. nice myth for liberals to propagate though.
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I agree that we should not be just throwing in the towel with blanket amnesty for illegals. I firmly oppose that and the Anchor Baby fiasco needs to be dealt with as well.
Cheap labor is another story. Business wants cheap labor, so cheap in fact a guy can't make a living at it. When someone can go on the government plan of, we'll pay you to do nothing, and that plan pays damn near as much as a job in a factory, it makes no sense to work. You can argue that we should lower the benefit and length of time of that government plan, and I'd agree, but that doesn't fix the overall problem of the average worker making slave wages while the boyz in the boardroom yacht around the world. Especially when the boardroom gang ain't all that impressive.
 
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1)Cheap labor is another story. Business wants cheap labor, so cheap in fact a guy can't make a living at it. 2)When someone can go on the government plan of, we'll pay you to do nothing, and that plan pays damn near as much as a job in a factory, it makes no sense to work.
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1) For the most part if business wants cheap labor it's available overseas. All anybody is doing if they hire illegal immigrants is shield liberals from the unintended consequences of their stupid min wage laws. So liberals owe a big thank you to these daring people.

2) Once again you are blaming conservatives for the unintended consequence of liberal policies in action, which kinda makes you look STUPID.
 
Quote from jem:

the young rich man made the claim he had been keeping all the commandments from his youth what else must he do?

Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

The rich man walk away said

And then for those who do not really grasp the point... jesus usually lays it out for his disciples...


Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
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If you consider who is making the offer to the young man, it amounts to "Follow your attachment to earthly things, or follow God".

The Apostles, while none were wealthy (maybe Matthew was the most well-off) gave up even more - their families (and ultimately their lives) - to follow as disciples.

"You cannot serve two masters."

Implied in that is that - you can have wealth - just do not let it be your master.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

This is what I've been saying all along. The left wants the voting block resulting from impoverished wages, and business/elites on the right want the cheap labor. Both parties want the perpetual campaign issue. What republicans are finding is that they can't win the votes of people who make a career living on public aid, and that block of people is growing, not shrinking.
The solution to this problem is not begging Hispanics/Blacks/Working Class Whites for their vote and giving a free pass to illegals. The solution is creating real opportunity, with real jobs that pay a living wage. To be blunt, that means the boyz at the top may have to settle for one less vacation home and a smaller yacht.

"Ironically, Romney was the first Republican presidential candidate in a long time not conspiring with the elites to make America a dumping ground for the world's welfare cases. Conservatives who denounced Romney as a "RINO" were the ones doing the bidding of the real establishment: business, which wants cheap labor and couldn't care less if America ceases to be the land of opportunity that everyone wanted to immigrate to in the first place."
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There are two or three issues here. One is illegal immigration, which Cinton and Bush tolerated or even encouraged for 16 years. Clearly there were business groups in the republican party who welcomed it.

Two is the living wage argument, which to me seems out of place here. The assumption is anyone making an entry level wage needs to live a middle calss lifestyle on it. that is usually not the situation, as these jobs are usually held by kids living at home or still in school, etc.

Three is the issue of CEO compensation. I have railed against this for years here, often to the annoyment of my conservative brethren. I think we saw a manifestation of the simmering resentment against it in this election. Romney is a decent man, but to a lot of people he looked like the boss who got a huge options/bonus package while the workers got squat. Ironically, the democrats have no incentive to do anything about this disparity since it plays to their narrative and keeps people angry.
 
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