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Correct, but he invested the heloc into RE and continued the leverage-spiral. The same scenario was played-out with the $2.2mm foreclosure.
An interesting topic of discussion: If one takes out a HELOC and purchases a second home, and then the first home is foreclosed upon, the creditors for the loans on the first home have no liens on the second home. Should they decide to sue for any remaining loan balances after the auction, they may be able to collect. But it becomes a case of collecting on an unsecured loan. More than likely the creditors will never see their money.

-Raystonn
 
Quote from S2007S:

pushing it back into the green very slowly. Have a feeling the dow will close above 11950 today.....inflation, what inflation?


here comes the 11950,,,,,this is truly pathetic....
 
First, one can find CD's paying 5.6% or more on 6-8 month terms.
After taxes you may be able to collect the equivalent of 3.75% on those CDs.

That more than beats inflation ... after taxes.
How can you possibly think 3.75% APY beats inflation?

Second, the savings rate in the US is NEGATIVE
So you are saying that the U.S. savings rate being negative is bad because... the U.S. savings rate is negative?

Get a clue ...
No need to lash out just because you are having trouble understanding.

people are spending more than they make.
This is actually the most efficient way to manage money when your buying dollars are eroded by inflation more quickly than savings will increase your dollars.

If you can't see the negative longer term effects then you're blind.
Sure, there are negative long term effects. But these are the effects of inflation being higher than what the average person can get in savings vehicles. A negative savings rate is just a symptom of this. Fix the inflation-higher-than-savings-APY-after-taxes problem and the negative savings rate will fix itself.

Oh yeah ... educate yourself on compounding over the longer term.
Both savings and inflation compound. That is fairly common knowledge. Please stick to arguing what you understand.

-Raystonn
 
this is distribution action. the question right now is will it be absorbed and we go higher or will we run out of dip buyers and go lower. too early to tell but the risk is on the long side right now imho.
 
Quote from vhehn:

this is distribution action. the question right now is will it be absorbed and we go higher or will we run out of dip buyers and go lower. too early to tell but the risk is on the long side right now imho.

I don't know. Given the overreaction to the NAHB report I would say there are plenty of dip buyers at the moment. To make a convincing move down I think the CPI needs to come in at 0.3% or higher tomorrow and INTC, YHOO, and IBM need to disappoint. Normally I think that oil would play a role, but tomorrow bearish oil news will go unnoticed. Bullish oil news (build in surplus) will provide some buyers in techland to make up for the strong drop in chips today.
 
We need to go 3 for 3 in order to see an up day tomorrow but I think the CPI will be closely watched. However as you can see today, inflation doesnt bother this market either. If the 0.6% was back in June or July you would have seen a Triple Digit loss today. How were only down 14 points on the DOW with an extremely high PPI # is confusing me.

If CPI is hot tomorrow and earnings from YHOO, IBM and INTC arent great than I think we could see a 1% dip tomorrow.
 
Quote from Jordo:

what is the chance the the fed raises rates at the end of the month?

Slim to none, and slim was last seen leaving town.

If CPI comes in high tomorrow, I'd say coin flip chances of a 25bp rate hike the next time around.
 
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