the problem of swing trading

Quote from dbphoenix:



Well, this drop occurred overnight. I don't see the pertinence to daytrading. One of the benefits of daytrading is avoiding this sort of thing.

There is always the risk of it getting halted ....Intraday....
 
I didn't know that today was earnings announcement. So it was my fault, didn't do my homeworks.

I deserved to loose money, my fault, it was me, nobody else.
Think in that case the problem is me.

What makes it even harder is that it's a deja vue, 3 years ago I remember being caught in the same situation in NOK!!!

Shame on me.
 
Quote from ElCubano:



There is always the risk of it getting halted ....Intraday....

As I said, there is risk if the drop occurs intraday. There is none if the drop occurs outside regular market hours and one is trading only during regular market hours.
 
For once I agree with db. Avoiding overnight risk, particularly during earnings season, is one of the primary reasons to be flat EOD. There certainly can be air pockets during the day, but they're rarer and affect all styles equally. To me, the main risk of daytrading is the limited profit potential, which puts a lot of pressure on your technique.

You can hedge the overnight risk with options, but at a fairly steep cost, either out of pocket or opportunity. This is probably an area that swing traders need to focus more on though. I talked to a guy who claimed to have become very successful as a swing trader by simply selling options against his positions when they got close to his profit target. He would let the short options take him out of the trade and pocket a little extra premium. He said it dramatically improved his results, because before sometimes he would exit early or hold too long.
 
Quote from heilbronner:

is when you get a profit warning in a long position. This happened today with NOK, down almost 20%. No chance to get out, stopp- loss useless in that situation. Portfolio not that much down because of short positions like SAP, YHOO or MDC, but still it hurts.

Let's see, whether MSFT will surprise the analysts tonight .......

:p
 
Quote from margo_trader:



Out of curiosity, why were you long NOK for a swing anyway? I can't find a single reason why anyone would have wanted to own it from a technical view.


Hi Margo,


I went long @ about 14 Euros, was well in the green. Intention was to let profits run, but... this turned out to be wrong for today.
 
I try to risk .5% to 1% of my total equity on a trade. I also cap my position in any particular stock to no more then 20% of equity.


That means that if I am at maximum money in, if I lose 20% overnight, I only really lost 20% of 20%, which is just 4% of total equity.

Losing 4% is huge when you tend to make only 0.25-1% per trade (total equity return, not just money in that trade), but its not an unrecoverable disastor.
 
Quote from dbphoenix:



As I said, there is risk if the drop occurs intraday. There is none if the drop occurs outside regular market hours and one is trading only during regular market hours.

u are tooo smart...thank you for the reply. I totally agree...
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

You can hedge the overnight risk with options, but at a fairly steep cost, either out of pocket or opportunity. This is probably an area that swing traders need to focus more on though.

Teresa Lo used to counsel using options for swing trading rather than the underlying (don't know if she still does or not). In this way, the risk is limited. As you say, worth thinking about. Doesn't have to be complicated.
 
When I am looking at historical daily, weekly, and monthly charts I never go back to any low or high and search the news archive.

Maybe I should. But I don't. I don't even like to have the chart on bars or candles. Give me the close only.
 
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