The Polls - Is Trump Winning even without the Algo

so... the reuters poll tells us that Trump is leading hillary by 10 with independents. (there poll is Dem plus 8) They had Clinton up plus 6. Unskewed that would be Clinton plus 2.

and the monmouth poll tells us... this today..

that clinton has lost a few points and is only up by 2.
their template says they are 28 R vs 40 I vs 32 Dem.
witha 5 point margin for error.

I think we can call that on the surface a non crap poll... maybe even a good one.

lets hope they keep it up the rest of the way... has the herding begun?
its nice to not have to explain we are looking at a crap polls.

Jem. Thanks for keeping track of all this. I have not. How are we looking ?
 
too many of the polls leave out their internal templates. But on the ones we have, when adjusted to a dem plus 4 template the race falls in the margin for error. making these national polls trivial.
the real question is how are the state races doing and which polls can be trusted.

I certainly don't know.



Jem. Thanks for keeping track of all this. I have not. How are we looking ?
 
Still waiting for an answer tony ?

Why did tariffs and currency debauchment work for Japan china and England ?


Its not a simple question as you previously stated.When I have time I might engage in a multi page debate on if tariffs and currency debasement worked in those countries but now I'm discussing politics.
 
the real question is how are the state races doing and which polls can be trusted.

I certainly don't know.


State races are looking good for Hillary jem.In many cases they look better for Hillary than they did for Obama in 2012.

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Trump To Dying People: Stick Around Long Enough To Vote For Me

GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, showing he’ll say anything to win a vote, had this message for America’s terminally ill people on Wednesday: Stay alive long enough to cast a vote for him next month.

I don’t care how sick you are,” Trump said at a rally in Henderson, Nevada. “I don’t care if you just came back from the doctor and he gave you the worst possible prognosis, meaning it’s over, you won’t be around in two weeks. Doesn’t matter. Hang out till Nov. 8. Get out and vote.”

Speaking with his signature arrogance, Trump then assured those dying people that after they are gone, “all we’re going to say is, ‘We love you and we will remember you always.’”

To be fair, Trump prefaced his comments by saying “I say kiddingly, but I mean it.”
 
Trump To Dying People: Stick Around Long Enough To Vote For Me

GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, showing he’ll say anything to win a vote, had this message for America’s terminally ill people on Wednesday: Stay alive long enough to cast a vote for him next month.

I don’t care how sick you are,” Trump said at a rally in Henderson, Nevada. “I don’t care if you just came back from the doctor and he gave you the worst possible prognosis, meaning it’s over, you won’t be around in two weeks. Doesn’t matter. Hang out till Nov. 8. Get out and vote.”

Speaking with his signature arrogance, Trump then assured those dying people that after they are gone, “all we’re going to say is, ‘We love you and we will remember you always.’”

To be fair, Trump prefaced his comments by saying “I say kiddingly, but I mean it.”

Well the Democrats wait until they are dead and have them vote.
 
from your Reuters Ipsos...

43 Dems 35 rs , 13 Is.
so you can see the sample is skewed and they are very light with the independents because trump is leading by 11 with independents in their poll.

If trump continues to lead by 11 with independents. that is amazing. Romney may have had a 3 point lead with them.

If that holds hillary loses big.


By the way Trump is leading by 2 in Rasmuessen (very big swing from down 4 or 5 a few days ago if I recall.) and up for in the LA times poll.

New Ipsos/Reuters poll.Hillary + 7

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clinton-continues-lead-us-tracking-poll

Clinton Continues Lead In Ipsos/Reuters National Tracking Poll

Hillary Clinton polls ahead of Donald Trump by seven points in the latest update of the Ipsos/Reuters national tracking poll.

Clinton leads in the head-to-head match, 44-37, among likely voters nationally in the week following the first presidential debate.
 
By the way Trump is leading by 2 in Rasmuessen (very big swing from down 4 or 5 a few days ago if I recall.) and up for in the LA times poll.

You still believing in Rasmuessen jem?Have you forgotten how much they had Romney in the lead in 2012?they had Romney ahead more than any other rcp pollster. They are a joke.
 
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