The Perfect Prop Firm

Quote from Maverick74:

OK, so let's have an open forum here where you guys give me your vision of the perfect prop firm. What "exactly" do you want. You can be as greedy as you want to start then we'll start widdling it down and prioritizing what's more important. How about it. Who wants to go first?

Are you planning on starting a prop firm to put other "prop" firms to shame?
 
I traded my own money for a long time. So the situation I would look for would be for the firm to pass on their costs to me, their capital and a split between 35% and 50% depending on the level of assets I would have allocated to me.

As for a draw, I would rather have a higher split, and little or no salary. The JBO deposit set up and deals don't work for me. However, I can see it as a good way to start and build a track record if I did not have the assets to trade on my own.
 
Quote from SteveNYC:

Are you planning on starting a prop firm to put other "prop" firms to shame?

I'm simply starting a dialogue here. I have some stuff I am working on. I just want to see if there is a consensus on what a good prop firm is. I know what I think the answer is, but I'll chime in last.
 
Quote from NetTecture:

runs decent trading programs after filtering out people.

What exactly do you mean when you saying filtering out people?

What kind of filter do you have in mind?

I find that finding a prop firm that has the same background and personality and vision as I almost impossible.
 
Quote from EvOTrAdEr:

Perfect Prop Firm = WTS.............................j/k

WTS has great rates, execution, software, etc but lacks a bit in customer service. so I would say that here's what I'd like to see:

100% payout....none of this 80/20 bullshit.
the excellent customer service of Capital Traders Group
The experience & wisdom of Bright Trading
The low rates and excellent fills of WTS
exposure to strategies (even though once a bunch of people use that strategy, it's useless)

hey dude. I've seen so many posts of yours pumping that shop.. dont you get tired.

Why not conduct your business with a little more ethics and work on really improving your business instead of pumping your firm on a web board. come on.

Final piece of advise; if you really want to promote your shop just open a thread and do that.. instead of trolling onto every thread with the same sh**. I've got nothing against you promoting a particular shop whether or not you have affiliations with it; but just going and spoiling every thread you run across is bad manners.



-gariki
 
Quote from rmorse:

I traded my own money for a long time. So the situation I would look for would be for the firm to pass on their costs to me, their capital and a split between 35% and 50% depending on the level of assets I would have allocated to me.

As for a draw, I would rather have a higher split, and little or no salary. The JBO deposit set up and deals don't work for me. However, I can see it as a good way to start and build a track record if I did not have the assets to trade on my own.

So you want me to fund your losses, and let you trade at firm costs and then we would cross our fingers and hoped you had a quantifiable edge? And if you go into me for 50k, how do I get that back? Bob, your idea is exactly why the prop community in Chicago has been cut by 80%.
 
Quote from MBC:

Knowing exactly how much you can lose, so you know where you stand.

Its sort of like taking a trade with no exit, nobody knows where we are going. If you know your loss limits you can trade or execute strategies with confidence, other words risk management, risk management , risk management.

All the other fluff about location, views of a city, charts, platforms take second seat for me...

You brought up a very important point. Risk managers should tell their traders exactly how much risk can be taken and how much loss is acceptable. I mean EXACTLY. This way the trader can trade without mysteries and with more confidence and maximize risk capital.

Location is important. There is no way I am going to travel to a combat zone to trade. There are combat zones in NYC.

Also, platforms and equipment are important. You cannot risk millions of dollars on second rate systems that will fail on you.
 
Quote from shopster:

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you already know the answer to your question.........:)

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Yeah, what's the point of this thread. I probably have better odds of winning a chunk of change in Powerball than finding the dream prop firm. You are such a tease.
 
Quote from SteveNYC:

Yeah, what's the point of this thread. I probably have better odds of winning a chunk of change in Powerball than finding the dream prop firm. You are such a tease.

No, but I think we can find a model that has "value". The way you find value is the same way value is found in an open auction market place where people come together and shout bids and offers. Eventually you find a price where a transaction takes place and value is discovered. All I am doing is building the pit and putting trading jackets on you guys and letting you scream out bids and offers. I'm curious to see where the trade gets transacted.
 
Quote from SteveNYC:

You brought up a very important point. Risk managers should tell their traders exactly how much risk can be taken and how much loss is acceptable. I mean EXACTLY. This way the trader can trade without mysteries and with more confidence and maximize risk capital.

Location is important. There is no way I am going to travel to a combat zone to trade. There are combat zones in NYC.

Also, platforms and equipment are important. You cannot risk millions of dollars on second rate systems that will fail on you.

Agree, reasonable location, reasonable choices of software and connection ( all those are cheap enough these days) just pointing out that most "prop's" have pie in the sky dream of let you lose 5k or 400.00 a day yet want you to make hundreds of thousands a year, not possible long term...

If you can manage risk in the 400.00 a day and not lose 2k and make 4k, well then just scale up and put 000.000 on the end of the numbers and you have a business. Assuming your activity/strategies are liquid enough.
 
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