The Perfect Option position

Quote from weewilly:

look at the posts on or around 11/12/03. the p.o.p. was a long near butterfly and a long back wrangle, i.e. 7 legs (insane). the essential concept of the idea, simplified, is to sell near-term vol, delta neutral, against a long dual backspread "wrangle," further out in time.

you can obtain a similar profile much more simply by selling near straddles and buying more strangles further out in time, in some ratio that you would have to determine.

i am not endorsing this position, just restating the gist of it.

wee


I have found out the significant difference between these two strategies, "selling near straddles and buying more strangles further out in time" does not hedge the vega in the front month
 
Correct fengshui-123

These positions are long vega and short gamma-all limited risk but one must be cognizant of the implied volatility levels before and during the trade.

It is possible for a unilateral decline in implied volatility that will put this spread on the ropes.

Not only that: IV down less in the deferred month can make the spread suffer because vega is greater in the back. Depends on each month's (on a per strike basis) decline and the ratio of longs to shorts.

Keep in mind that the vegas dwindle, at different rates, over time.

Charles

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The perfect position is if you buy a short expiration put at a high and the market turns around and goes down fast.

Very easy :)
 
Quote from Mecro:

Awesome thread. Doing some options now and it's nice to see the different strategies being discussed.

Buying that book, thanks for the tip Mav.

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Yes ,some of the best books are free.:cool:

Actually would rather buy option books @ $9.99 sale;
$9.99 red tag sale better than retail.

Think it was Maverick 74 or Maverick 1 mentioned ,
expensive premium getting more exspensive;
did buy one of Schwagers books reasonable close to high,
its still valuable- might get more valuable:cool:
 
Depending on the stock and the market condition, your spread probably could give you a little profit. But your spread has a little weakness. Your front month butterfly spread is bias on the up side. Consider what would happen when the stock is down alittle, enough for your buttefly spread to expire worthless and your wrangle not in the profit zone. Therefore, if you want to improve your strategy, you need another butterfly spread in the front to cover a decrease in stock price. (put butterfly)

In summary, you need two butterfly spreads and a wrangle spread. It is going to cost you alot in commission. Even if you have two butterfly spread, your success rate is improved, but not guarantee.

There are better and cheap strategies to use. Trade what you see, not what you think!

Oh and one more thing, what's the cheapest commission you guys are paying for options? I heard somewhere that people are paying pennies per contract. If you could get pennies per contract, my success rate would increase greatly. There's one pwerful strategy I would use if commission is that low. Nitro is right about this part!
 
Quote from pips:

The perfect position is if you buy a short expiration put at a high and the market turns around and goes down fast.

Very easy :)

my perfect position this month was selling naked puts on dia when the dow was < 10k. every one expired worthless although i would have done a lot better with long calls since we had such a huge run.
 
Quote from RiskDoctor:

Sell strangles or straddles and buy more further out (in distance) strangles (same month) in such a ratio that you still have positive theta. This postion will need adjusting over time as the closer to the money options' gamma grows and the further away options' gamma dwindles.

This can also be achieved by bying some just OTM options on both sides of the market and financing the most of or more than the purchase price with the sale of OTM vertical credit spreads. See the attached SlingshotHedge article to evolve your thoughts on this.

Attachment: slingshothedgelv6.pdf
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there is another site with a similar risk doctor name so make sure you findthe right one. Use google and use risk doctor and Cottle to get their faster.

P.S> Happy New Year C!

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I even registered at riskdoctor.com, but I can't get past the first page after logging in. (It seems to be some kind of HotComm download page for a Microsoft .exe file, which I have no use for.)
 
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Has become a chapter in "Options Trading: The Hidden Reality" available at RiskDoctor printed in color hardback or PDF.

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