The Perfect Option position

Quote from wdbaker:

Hey,
I was just checking out the book on the riskdoctor.com site and it led to this site wear you can get the book e-mailed to you for free :D

Hear is where I found it:

http://www.cashflowheaven.com/freebookoffer.asp

Or did everyone already know about this? I'm probably just slow eh

later
wdbaker Denver, Co
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Yeah, that link has posted about 100 times. LOL. But his old book, "Options: Perception and Deception" has been out of print for years and is a very hard find. I haven't read it but people tell me it's more detailed then the PDF update.
 
Quote from RiskDoctor:

Come down to the CBOT. I am here most days.

If you send it to me I might have to keep it.
They are quite rare, you know.
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Heh :cool:

No, the book will be escorted by me :D I need to come downtown to the CBOT anyway to go knocking on some FCMs doors.

I will give you a heads up and perhaps I can swing by and say hi and have my copy autographed.

Do you or the CBOT give courses on what is discussed in the book?

nitro
 
Nov 03
+1 put @ 95
-1 call @ 100
-1 put @ 100
+1 call @ 105

April 04
+2 put @ 95
-1 put @ 100
-1 call @ 100
+2 calls @ 105

finally got the time to read most of the posts.

I simulated your position as described above. One question i am asking myself is the cost of such a position. According to my simulation the margin required to open up such a position would be around 25$. If the underlying stays put at 100$ then my profit would read around 2$ for a return of 8% over a period of 4 weeks (expiration of the front month). This only being a simulation, i was wondering if in reality, it was the type of return you were seeing. Note that my simulation does not account for b/a spead or commissions.
 
Another question,
why not increase your gamma using a back month closer to the front month. You will gain less on the no move profit (if it stays at 100$), but would benefit a lot more in case of an upward or downward swing. fiannly your loss at 95 or 105 would be about the same. You would reduce the margin required too
 
Quote from Vixpills:

Nov 03
+1 put @ 95
-1 call @ 100
-1 put @ 100
+1 call @ 105

April 04
+2 put @ 95
-1 put @ 100
-1 call @ 100
+2 calls @ 105

finally got the time to read most of the posts.

I simulated your position as described above. One question i am asking myself is the cost of such a position. According to my simulation the margin required to open up such a position would be around 25$. If the underlying stays put at 100$ then my profit would read around 2$ for a return of 8% over a period of 4 weeks (expiration of the front month). This only being a simulation, i was wondering if in reality, it was the type of return you were seeing. Note that my simulation does not account for b/a spead or commissions.
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Vix,

Yeah, that's pretty close. You get around a 10% yield give or take if the stock doesn't move. B/A spreads are really not an issue for me because I leg into the spread and out of the spread. But yeah, that's pretty close.
 
Quote from Vixpills:

Another question,
why not increase your gamma using a back month closer to the front month. You will gain less on the no move profit (if it stays at 100$), but would benefit a lot more in case of an upward or downward swing. fiannly your loss at 95 or 105 would be about the same. You would reduce the margin required too
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Sure you could do that. In fact there are thousands of variations of how you can do it. I just used one variation. If you want more gamma, go with a closer month, if you want more theta, go with the further month. Like I said before, there are many ways to construct these spreads. There is no right or wrong way. You can get as creative as you want.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Vix,

Yeah, that's pretty close. You get around a 10% yield give or take if the stock doesn't move. B/A spreads are really not an issue for me because I leg into the spread and out of the spread. But yeah, that's pretty close.
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This is retarded; you leg into the spread? So you're the upstairs trader earning the positive-expectation from the scalp. Damn! What's the point in being on the floor? Why did you leave the floor Maverick?

Do you actually believe what you're stating here? I would hazard to guess your book would cover the cost of a Carnival cruise at best.
 
Quote from highfreq:

This is retarded; you leg into the spread? So you're the upstairs trader earning the positive-expectation from the scalp. Damn! What's the point in being on the floor? Why did you leave the floor Maverick?

Do you actually believe what you're stating here? I would hazard to guess your book would cover the cost of a Carnival cruise at best.
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OK highfreq, let me clear some things up here since you are new to this board and apparently have some serious personal issues. One, I'm a short gamma trader. I have stated this a thousand times. However, occasionally on these option threads we like to have open intelligent discussions about other strategies. This doesn't mean we necessarily trade these strategies or even recommend them, but we are simply discussing them. I really wish you would read my posts instead of attacking me. You have posted on this board for like a week now and you are already turning into a know it all whiny bitch. Pretty impressive feat to accomplish in such a short period of time.

Anyway, back to the topic on hand. Yes, I leg into all my trades, so do 99% of all traders I know. I have stated many many many times that I no longer like to trade long gamma which would mean that I do not trade this position. Now I'm a little confused by you asking me what is the point to be being on the floor? What does that have to do with anything? Or off the floor for that matter?

Do I believe in what I am stating here? Uh, yeah I do. Thanks for asking. If you really want to read up on this strategy why don't you pick up a copy of "Option Marketmaking" by Jan Baird. Maybe he can help you understand this strategy a little better.

And explain to me how you think legging into a spread is retarded? I can't wait to hear this one, ought to be good. Do you have any other questions? Why do you even post here? It seems like all you have done in the week that you have been here is attack other people's ideas? Is there something you are trying to accomplish here? Let me know, I might be able to help you. Good night.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

OK highfreq, let me clear some things up here since you are new to this board and apparently have some serious personal issues. One, I'm a short gamma trader. I have stated this a thousand times. However, occasionally on these option threads we like to have open intelligent discussions about other strategies. This doesn't mean we necessarily trade these strategies or even recommend them, but we are simply discussing them. I really wish you would read my posts instead of attacking me. You have posted on this board for like a week now and you are already turning into a know it all whiny bitch. Pretty impressive feat to accomplish in such a short period of time.

Anyway, back to the topic on hand. Yes, I leg into all my trades, so do 99% of all traders I know. I have stated many many many times that I no longer like to trade long gamma which would mean that I do not trade this position. Now I'm a little confused by you asking me what is the point to be being on the floor? What does that have to do with anything? Or off the floor for that matter?

Do I believe in what I am stating here? Uh, yeah I do. Thanks for asking. If you really want to read up on this strategy why don't you pick up a copy of "Option Marketmaking" by Jan Baird. Maybe he can help you understand this strategy a little better.

And explain to me how you think legging into a spread is retarded? I can't wait to hear this one, ought to be good. Do you have any other questions? Why do you even post here? It seems like all you have done in the week that you have been here is attack other people's ideas? Is there something you are trying to accomplish here? Let me know, I might be able to help you. Good night.
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Your assumption that it's trivial to earn the spread; buying the bid and selling the offer, that's what's retarded. You sound like a piker.

LOL! You "don't necessarily trade" this PERFECT strategy?

[rhetorical question] People on this board actually follow what you spew?
 
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