Well the nations which already have legalized and decriminalized drugs would suggest otherwise. Drug use and abuse is LESS common in the Netherlands and other nations which it's legal and/or decriminalized. Are you suggesting we try the epic failure which was prohibition again and make alcohol illegal? Are you suggesting that alcohol makes fathers beat their children? The vast majority of people who get drunk, don't feel inclined to beat children so why criminalize drinking, when beating children is already illegal? Funny how weed is legal is California, the city of Denver and more or less legal in Quebec and and BC, yet we don't have auto wrecks en masse due to sleeping drivers. Also, if drugs were simply legal we'd take power OUT of the hands of shady drug dealers, vicious murderous drug cartels, and corrupt underhanded law enforcement. We'd gain huge revenues from taxation we're currently missing, and instead SPENDING billions on useless war on drugs, which hasn't done much of anything to eliminate drug use. We have indeed created a "solution" which is worse than the problem. The data from nations which have decriminalized drugs utterly refute your theory. The war on drugs has been a sick, sad, stupid perversion of the legal system and an abject failure. If you disagree with this, you are simply anti-liberty.
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The Other Side Of The Arizona Immigration Debate
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Quote from phenomena:
Well the nations which already have legalized and decriminalized drugs would suggest otherwise. Drug use and abuse is LESS common in the Netherlands and other nations which it's legal and/or decriminalized. Are you suggesting we try the epic failure which was prohibition again and make alcohol illegal? Are you suggesting that alcohol makes fathers beat their children? The vast majority of people who get drunk, don't feel inclined to beat children so why criminalize drinking, when beating children is already illegal? Funny how weed is legal is California, the city of Denver and more or less legal in Quebec and and BC, yet we don't have auto wrecks en masse due to sleeping drivers. Also, if drugs were simply legal we'd take power OUT of the hands of shady drug dealers, vicious murderous drug cartels, and corrupt underhanded law enforcement. We'd gain huge revenues from taxation we're currently missing, and instead SPENDING billions on useless war on drugs, which hasn't done much of anything to eliminate drug use. We have indeed created a "solution" which is worse than the problem. The data from nations which have decriminalized drugs utterly refute your theory. The war on drugs has been a sick, sad, stupid perversion of the legal system and an abject failure. If you disagree with this, you are simply anti-liberty.
+10.
Racial profiling arguments are totally just red herring thingys that got so much traction it's incredible... the left simply will never sort out legal immigrants form illegal immigrants, instead they will say you are anti immigration.. it's just sick... the Left is simply ruthless in taking power and weak in the face of evil... I firmly believe that being on the left is a mental disorder...
Yeah, but I mean really? What is "left"? What does that really even mean? It's all the same shit. You guys whine and banter and fight with each other ad infinitum, but the only palpable difference between Obama and Bush is health care. This amorphous "left" you guys keep ranting about, and this immaterial "right" they keep ranting about is exactly what they want you to do. Fight over trivial differences so that you can't see that both parties are overwhelmingly the same. When you ignore rhetoric and look at actions and outcomes, this becomes obvious. Good luck in your journey to objectivity. It's so stupid to call this immigration position "liberal", it's the same one dubya had...
Quote from maxpi:
Racial profiling arguments are totally just red herring thingys that got so much traction it's incredible... the left simply will never sort out legal immigrants form illegal immigrants, instead they will say you are anti immigration.. it's just sick... the Left is simply ruthless in taking power and weak in the face of evil... I firmly believe that being on the left is a mental disorder...
Quote from phenomena:
No, drugs aren't decriminalized in Mexico. Drugs are still very much criminal there. So no, not like Mexico.
Oh, son, epic fail. Back to school you go.
Mexico last week enacted a law to decriminalize possession of small amounts of all major narcotics, including marijuana, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and crystal meth. Anyone caught in Mexico with two or three joints or about four lines of cocaine can no longer be arrested, fined or imprisoned.
Good for them! Unfortunately it was only last week according to the quote you posted, without a link. It would take a while to see the outcomes. It's also basically the same in Barcelona, Amsterdam, Denver, Vancouver, and Lisbon already. All of which have much lower crime rates than the USA. What I'm talking about though is actually creating legal channels of for distribution like we have with any other consumer product, and taxing it just like we do alcohol and tobacco. In the Netherlands they have lower rates of personal drug use and abuse than in the United States. The point is to take power OUT of the hands of violent drug smugglers, and corrupt law enforcement officials. Also, to quit the hemorrhaging spending on the epic failure otherwise known as the "war on drugs". Drugs would plummet in price, and skyrocket in safety. Addicts wouldn't need to commit crimes to get their drugs. There wouldn't be any shady street corner violence. Addicts wouldn't get dirty drugs. All the violence associated with drug smuggling would end, because now it's just a matter of producing and transporting legal goods. It would create numerous jobs, and procure huge revenues. You guys' ignorance and fear mongering is rendered pretty impotent by the facts. If anything, your unreferenced statement suggests that the legal status of drugs has very little effect on crime rates...
Quote from bugscoe:
Oh, son, epic fail. Back to school you go.