The Origins of World War III

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You do not appear to understand the role of the middle class.

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However the lower class in US is another story and there are simply to many of them as the country move into the 21st century.
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"Classes" are only in your head, or in the school system... however the more the people can interconnect the greater the creativity. I will look where they are the more people, for the more creativity... And creativity is limitless... :)
and cooler unpredictable ! Megabreaktroughs are always possible ! Total game changing events can occure out of any radar... any time...
 
Quote from SNBthetrue:

this exactly the kind of group where I am really spectical... Did you hear about backwardmasking ?

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Its just a great song with a fantastic message. Dont get all tinfoil on us.
 
Quote from jorgez:


Globalization will add a billion or two to this tax paying consumer based middle class and nobody in their right mind will wantonly destroy any part of the middle class.

Their destruction has come as an error from the greedy extension of credit down through the ranks, not through any intentional desire ... why would you bite the hand that helps feed you.

However the lower class in US is another story and there are simply to many of them as the country move into the 21st century.
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See my post above.

The Globalist Agenda openly calls for massive depopulation. This is a synthesis of old time eugenics, pantheism meshed with contemporary junk-science dressed up as environmentalism. The target is 500 milllion people. This is stated repeatedly in numerous UN white papers and CFR documents.

It really puts your whole argument of "bite the hand that feeds" to lie.

The Elites have wrested control of the printing press in every major economy, and hold technology 4-5 generations ahead of anything publicly known. In the old days, multitudes of serfs were needed to support the lavishes of the nobility and Kings.

Now, they've got technology. The Middle Class - ie surfs - are no longer needed. Nor are the underclass. Machines and a small, servile underclass can provide everything the elite need, at a fraction of the risk.

Education and wealth were guarded for a reason. The Middle Class is now a threat.

You suggest it unfathomable the elite would harm the economy or Middle Class?

Take a look at the economy. 50% Tax Rates. Cap and Trade. Trillion dollar budget deficits and ObamaCare. And offshoring?

None of that could be argued, "by accident". That's 100% premeditated. The banking blowup was no accident, either.

The Elite now have the technology and wealth (Central Banking authority) to shove off, and say Bon Voyage ! While they bio-nuke us Commoners into white noise.

There's about to a be a debt implosion not seen since the Great Depression in America and Europe. That's no accident, either. Debt to GDP levels are off the charts, with an eroding income base (offshoring, tax rates, over-regulation, exploding social entitlements). If it was just short-sighted greed, our Leaders would have revamped the monetary system, a long time ago. But they didn't. Many people have seen this debt implosion coming for decades. Everything is "a-okay" we're told. Much like Bernacke reassuring us the economy was just great before it collapsed, or nothing-to-see Hoover as the market tanked into oblivion.

It's what the Germans did before they hit the front-lines. We come in peace ! We mean you no harm ! Everything is just fine !! BANG.
 
I have a different view regarding the rise of the middle class.

It coincided with the eventual abolition of slavery and the feudal system due to industrialization, brought on by fossil fuels such as coal, then oil.

Industrialization, in order to be profitable, required purchasing power for the masses.

That's it.
 
Quote from Misthos:

I have a different view regarding the rise of the middle class.

It coincided with the eventual abolition of slavery and the feudal system due to industrialization, brought on by fossil fuels such as coal, then oil.

Industrialization, in order to be profitable, required purchasing power for the masses.

That's it.
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I think it's other way around.

Industrialization engendered purchasing power.

Everyone worked hard before and after industrialization.

Output was low (prices high) before industrialization. With industrialization, productivity went through the roof, prices dropped, people could afford much more material abundance. And thus, became far more wealthy, relative to their prior class.

In turn, commoners and entrepreneurs amassed wealth through trading or manufacture. Nobility and royalty lost control over who got that wealth (favors - who got tracts of land, slaves, trading rights to colonies). The world became more egalitarian. Commoners gained power/wealth relative to Monarchies. Eventually, that's how the Crown was usurped by the Parliament, through upward mobility of the underclass to middle class and the exertion of political power. Similar to whats happening in China, today. People get a taste for wealth, and they naturally want to extend that influence into politics.

Somewhere down the road, Americans got fooled that everything was 'just fine' in Washington and to close their eyes. They did. One of the greatest con-jobs in history.
 
Quote from ElCubano:

our biggest enemy is ourselves and our leaders who use us as puppets... there will be a war but it will be a war with ourselves. A war for water and resources.... peace
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I agree the World War III will be for resources because the world has reached its "peak resources". Mother Earth does not have the resources to support 7 billion or 8 billion people.

The present global financial crisis is a result of peak oil, peak real estates, peak commodities, peak food and others.
 
dear Observer...

In the cheese board you will be the fool... Don't laugh too much... kings have the tendency to sarifice fools first...

I have a lot of consideration for people like you. The way you think is always an amazment for me. The pleasure you have to walk near the Edge thinking that it's your way... so funny. The best part in fool's game is the fall :)

You know from the highest high to the darkness outside of the castle...

Where did you get this idea of limited resources... it's only your knowledge and creativity that has peaked... and man... sorry but that's worst than anything.

You are limited in your mind. You think that by destroying, something, better will be rebuild. destroy to rebuild... what a lowskill set...

Real problems that every Empires faced...

1. USA

what to do with soldier back from the fronts... ( Gladiator... ).
So it will be the first idea of the ennemy of the Federation to raise an army really big ( unstainable = more debt :) from within the federation). However the problem is what to do with all the powerfull soliders when they come back home... ( nothing is more free than 1000000 mens with guns and wars techniks ). Some Assholes like you will have the idea of sending them to a lost war...

2. China

The easiest way to destroy an empire as big as china isn't trough raising a gigantic army... The guys that build the wall of China are so hard working that putting them in sustainable debt is impossible. They work hard, they repay all.
So the plan was more to create a structural imbalance in the population. Limiting the number of children to 1. Making that in the farm land ( 50 years ago almost all of China ) boys were the only children wanted. So now there is a country with more boys than woman, a big army, and a country where some area are so polluted that it isn't liveable by western standard. So it's like it was structuraly design for this... The funniest is when the guys that managed it don't realize it themselves... It's always hard to be a puppet.

Again you fool your solution is to send this army to death... so no more population imbalances... However that's wrong and the chineses are smarter.

They are more woman in the world than men... secondly none can predicts the issue of a world war today... it's possible than the only one surviving would be our great "Elites" hidding in some giant underground compnound... however the All powerfull reality is always there... ready to do what they call luck :)

Republics will always meet a bigger Republic... they are organisation for victory and then defeat...
Federations don't have this problem... they are organisation for peace...

3. Middle East

Mega cultural problem... Isreal and the rest of the Islamic world.
Respect of the Islam value Vs the western value...
I think that in your analysis it's the perfect battleground ? hmmm ??? Stupid fool...

The people in All the Middle East from all the religions and cultures dream only to be in peace and be able to raise their crops if only they could access fresh water in sufficent quantity.

And when I see the stupid leader of Iran, rafansgani shit wat,.. this guy was on tv yesterday. He was the most pathetic man I never seen in my all life... He was showing is little hand with his little balls... What do he think Iran is ? It's no more the Persian Empire... It just a lost country... trying to develop what will never protect it. They can't even refine their own fuel... LOW TECH... worst stupid enough to think that they are doing the right think...They are jeoparidizing the All society of Iran... that's what corruption and Asshole like you can do to a country. Because they don't respect their people... And they are the easiest to manipulate trough their lust of power...

If you had the capacity to think, you will quickly realize that war will always leads to more longterm problem than orignially thought...

And better than all, what you can't imagine, is the capacity of Federations to raise Allies... and you never know where the biggest fish of All comes...

peace
 
Quote from observer67:


The present global financial crisis is a result of , peak real estates, peak commodities, peak food and others.
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dude finally I see your problem...

It's easy : you don't understand the wheel...

:D
 
Quote from dandxg:
Well I appreciate having a Commander and Chief that actually thinks before rushing to war, cough Iraq, than a freakin' redneck that shoots from the hip.

If Obama was the pussy you claim him to be he wouldn't send 30k to Afganistan. I think it's a bad move, the Russians can't beat them and either can we. Before you tell me the Surge in Iraq worked listen to Michael Ware's report on how we paid them to stop attacking us.

I would take Obama over a guy that openly jokes about bombing Iran anyday and Caribou Barbie.

Look at the facts. When has an occupying force ever won recently? Towelheads and Viet Cong kicked our ass with AK's and will do so again. Their IED's cut throw our armor like butter. Hell even you beloved Fox news had interviews a couple of years back with Green Beret that were called off within 200 yds of OBL. Yes I do watch Fox occasionally.

I am far from feeling the love for Obama but it the lesser of 2 evils until there is real change. [/B]
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I agree with you completely until this post. It is true that Russia couldn't win there, and it is true that we couldn't beat the Viet Cong, but that wasn't a world war.

The difference is that during WWII for example, Germany firebombed London to absolute shit, killed more people than both nukes combined, that is one city. If WWIII breaks out the "rules" of war are going out the window, there are no civilians, just targets. Even if it remains strictly conventional, you can understand how this war in afghanistan would be if we didn't give a shit about civilian casualties. They would simply have no chance, maybe they could hide in their caves until they die of hunger, but on the field they would fall victim to round the clock bombing.

My point is when there is all out war, the stronger military really can't lose (if it remains conventional), so I have to assume if WWIII happens it will end nuclear. My point is a redneck gunslinger is definently better than a pussy in this situation, u have to fire back, can't talk your way out of incoming ballistic missles.:D
 
dear Piggybank,

thank you for your comment. You clearly point out the dangerousness of this combo :

army + industrial complex based on it + science research + political "will" + intrusive persuasion programs = mega profits for "dark lords"... until it reach their own life...

So the Markets around the worlds don't need armies... I don't see how a Iraq stock market could attack a Taiwanese markets ??? hoo yes it's done everyday trough the click of a mouse... but no blood, no suffering... only a pure nice exchange of free will...
However I think that in every country there is sufficent work to employ everyone, in fact the cleaning of our Earth will take some long hours, planning and co... which will gradually permit to all countries to transfer and dismantle their armies in to first Earth cleaners and then free farmers of created farm land... and under the seas they are rocks too... !
 
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