The Opening Orders Thread

Quote from Hooked2000:

Im so confused on this issue and I read the press release from the NYSE.

So no more ITS linkages...thats fine...So will the specialist be able to tell someone where a stock is likely to open...or will it be a secret to only him and his buddies on the floor?

Here's what IS happening every morning this week. There's been virtually no indications with the exception of a handful of glaring imbalances, usually news stocks. I actually like the new system because what few indications that are published are major ones and are a good heads up.

But to answer your question, the likely open is now on a need to know basis and you don't need to know....:D
 
Quote from Shreddog:

Here's what IS happening every morning this week. There's been virtually no indications with the exception of a handful of glaring imbalances, usually news stocks. I actually like the new system because what few indications that are published are major ones and are a good heads up.

But to answer your question, the likely open is now on a need to know basis and you don't need to know....:D

I know you are being funny here....but on the serious side, Why the rule change?
 
Quote from Hooked2000:

I know you are being funny here....but on the serious side, Why the rule change?

Honestly, I don't know why the change. My guess is it might be related to Reg NMS.
 
ATTENTION:

TO: ALL MEMBERS AND MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS

SUBJECT: ELIMINATION OF ITS (INTERMARKET TRADING SYSTEM)




I. Purpose
The purpose of this Information Memo is to alert members and member organizations that the Intermarket Trading System (“ITS”) will be eliminated on June 30, 2007. In addition, the NMS Linkage Plan (“NMS Linkage Plan”) will expire on June 30, 2007.

II. Background

Since 1979, ITS has been the principal means of electronically transmitting orders between market centers to avoid trading through superior quotes in those markets. In connection with the implementation of Regulation NMS, the ITS Plan participants terminated the governing agreement, the ITS Plan, and replaced it, until June 30, 2007, with the NMS Linkage Plan. The NMS Linkage Plan continued to use the ITS connectivity between markets, and also preserved certain elements of the ITS Plan, including the requirement to disseminate ITS Pre-Opening Indications.

Beginning Monday, July 2, 2007 the former ITS Participants and other markets will rely solely on private linkages to communicate orders and information between and among other market centers.

III. Pre-Opening Price Information

Member and member organizations are advised that as of June 30, 2007, because of the decommissioning of ITS, the Display Book functionality associated with the ITS pre-opening price information will no longer operate. Accordingly, specialists will no longer be required to disseminate ITS Pre-Opening Indications pursuant to NYSE Rule 15(c)(i)(A)(1). Nor will they be able to so on a voluntary basis. Specialists are advised that the requirements of NYSE Rule 123D (other than those aspects of the rule relating to ITS) will continue to apply, and specialists should be disseminating indications before opening or reopening a stock as required under NYSE Rule 123D.1

The NYSE is currently preparing conforming changes to its rules that will eliminate references to ITS, which it intends to file with the SEC on an expedited basis in the near future. In the interim, to the extent that a rule contains an obligation on members or member organizations that is dependent on the existence of ITS connectivity and cannot be carried out without the ITS connectivity, failure to comply with such provisions will not result in disciplinary action. Members and member organizations are advised, however, that they continue to be bound by all other rules relating to intermarket trading and communication, including Regulation NMS rules and NYSE rules, and that violations of such rules may result in formal or informal disciplinary action.


IV. NYSE Regulation Staff Contacts

Questions concerning this Information Memo should be addressed to:

Patrick Giraldi, Director, On-Floor Surveillance Unit, at (212) 656-6804
Craig Hammond, Managing Director, Office of the General Counsel, at (212) 656-2661
Karen Lorentz, Managing Director, Operations Planning, at (212) 656-5858

Questions may also be directed to the On-Floor Surveillance Unit via the White Phone or in person at their Booth in the EBR. Questions that are not time sensitive may also be submitted to Ask Market Surveillance. (For information about the Ask Market Surveillance system, refer to Member Education Bulletin 2006-3, which was issued on January 30, 2006, if you or your firm is not already a subscriber.)
 
So let me break this down...please correct me if my interpretation is off base.

From the memo:
"Since 1979, ITS has been the principal means of electronically transmitting orders between market centers to avoid trading through superior quotes in those markets"

Therefore now it is OK to trade through superior quotes in other exchanges. right?

How does this help the retail customer? The people the exchanges claim they are trying to protect.

and/or

From the memo:
"Beginning Monday, July 2, 2007 the former ITS Participants and other markets will rely solely on private linkages to communicate orders and information between and among other market centers."

There will be an indication of opening range disseminated on a private linkage. Is this possible?
 
ITS was replaced by NMS for the trade through rules. For example, if you send an order to the NYSE, and there is a better market on ARCA, they will route to ARCA.

ITS was valuable when we had regional exchanges, actually that's how I learned about it back when I started on the PSE in 1979. The regionals are basically no-existent now, replaced with Electronic trading.

It's funny, over the years I would say to those advocating the "end of the Specialist" in favor of pure electronic trading markets to "be careful what you wish for" - and, although nothing really dramatic has changed (IMO only), there are those who are concerned about losing the "old ways."

We all have to adapt, and when any door closes another (hopefully) opens. We now have no uptick rule to worry about, so we can sell below previous close on opening only, and our pairs guys are in heaven not having to "do the hard side first" (short sale on uptick)...they can be more productive now by hitting bids with short sell orders.

Don


Only BUD this morning +$240.
 
no and no.

It's not ok to trade through superior quotes. However instead of using ITS to route orders from one place to another this will take place via private linkages.

make sense?

- mnx

Quote from Hooked2000:

So let me break this down...please correct me if my interpretation is off base.

From the memo:
"Since 1979, ITS has been the principal means of electronically transmitting orders between market centers to avoid trading through superior quotes in those markets"

Therefore now it is OK to trade through superior quotes in other exchanges. right?

How does this help the retail customer? The people the exchanges claim they are trying to protect.

and/or

From the memo:
"Beginning Monday, July 2, 2007 the former ITS Participants and other markets will rely solely on private linkages to communicate orders and information between and among other market centers."

There will be an indication of opening range disseminated on a private linkage. Is this possible?
 
Quote from Don Bright:

..... and our pairs guys are in heaven not having to "do the hard side first" (short sale on uptick)...they can be more productive now by hitting bids with short sell orders.

Don

On the flip side, are your pair guys who went long HLT short MAR
(or long AA short AL prior to 05/07) in pair trading hell right now?
 
Quote from Don Bright:

A lot of money was made by the guys long HLT Short MAR (or even short HOT). Not "hell" in my book.

Don :confused:

Sorry - meant short HLT long MAR. What about the guys who went long AA short AL? Must be in heaven too, I guess.
 
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