The Opening Orders Thread

Quote from Don Bright:

He's now up about a $half million. He shorted 2.1 million shares this morning. Has bought back about 2/3rds at this point in time.

Please understand that this trader has been with us for a decade, and has been consitently profitable or we wouldn't allow quite that much capital usage.

Don

Just noticed this.

Now is that nice, talking about the net on a guy short 2 freaking million shares?

Glad he made all that money and Im sure he's good, but if I told you I know a guy that made 50,000 at the track today, and omitted the fact that he bet 1 million to show on some heavy favorite to collect 2.10, you'd call me a bad name.

You need to be up front about something like that or its not 'realistic'


PS . Seems to me selling a huge gap open like that has very little to do with OO, and could just as well be done with futures.
 
Quote from stock777:

Just noticed this.

Now is that nice, talking about the net on a guy short 2 freaking million shares?

Glad he made all that money and Im sure he's good, but if I told you I know a guy that made 50,000 at the track today, and omitted the fact that he bet 1 million to show on some heavy favorite to collect 2.10, you'd call me a bad name.

You need to be up front about something like that or its not 'realistic'


PS . Seems to me selling a huge gap open like that has very little to do with OO, and could just as well be done with futures.

2Mil shares and he grosses 500K. That's 25cents per share. Make it a round trip shares and he's down to 12.5 cents per share. I'd take that any day anytime. And he scored that edge on 2M shares! That's serious performance.

Look at Lescor's annual stats that he posts here. Those are great numbers Don's guy put up. Perhaps you could do that with futures in hindsight, but he did it trading OPG's without the benefit of hindsight. We all knew it was going to be a monster day, we just didn't know if it was going to be red or green. He made the trades he got the payoff.

BTW, some of my best OPG trades friday were longs!
 
Quote from Shreddog:

2Mil shares and he grosses 500K. That's 25cents per share. Make it a round trip shares and he's down to 12.5 cents per share. I'd take that any day anytime. And he scored that edge on 2M shares! That's serious performance.

Look at Lescor's annual stats that he posts here. Those are great numbers Don's guy put up. Perhaps you could do that with futures in hindsight, but he did it trading OPG's without the benefit of hindsight. We all knew it was going to be a monster day, we just didn't know if it was going to be red or green. He made the trades he got the payoff.

BTW, some of my best OPG trades friday were longs!

Yes, it was a great day for him. It only makes sense to put these things into perspective. Most realize that annual performance is usually not a daily collection of money (although it can be), but rather long periods of flat performance followed by hopefully a short period where your strategy is kicking into gear with the markets.

Remember this, that trader and the Brights take a huge risk every morning on these opening orders. There could be a day when he is long 2 million shares and at 9:32am a terriost event occurs in downtown Manhatten that shuts the system down (basically another 911 type day). At that point, everyone who is overleveraged the wrong way without a hedge alternative will have a problem.

Leverage works both ways, we can NEVER forget it.
 
Used a .5% envelope, 1 out of 4 filled, a quick +$295

I'm sure my high school algebra teacher would be smiling seeing me bang on a calculator at 6AM!
 
Just FYI (or a correction)...he entered 2M shares, not filled on 2M shares. And, yes, even though this is the most consistently profitable strategy we employ, there is risk, as always. No risk, no reward, it's just understanding it.

For a bad case scenario, I'll give you one of mine. Back in 2001 I was in my Reno office, and had turned off the TV, and turned off our morning call just before the opening so I could demonstrate a new auto-enter, opening only program to the traders there.

Well I missed my brother telling everyone to cancel their OPG orders due to the Kennedy airport plane crash that happened not too long after 9/11 (I can't remember the details, but it was the "second hit" or at least perceived to be).

Well, needless to say I was long 2,000 shares of about 40 stocks. And was immediately down about $40,000 - I got lucky, as it turned out to not be an act of terrorism, and actually ended up for the day in about half an hour.

Things happen, I prefer to focus on the 99% than the 1%. What "does" happen is consistency, what "can" happen can be costly. We've always been percentages oriented, both in the risk we take, and the risk we won't allow, FWIW.

What are your guys thoughts about the State owned Dubai company buying so much of MGM? I think that Kirk Kerkorian knew about this deal a while back when we couldn't figure out why he was buying the "City Center" project essentially from himself. Now we see why, and gigantic infusion of money. Will we see the outrage that we saw when the same company tried to buy up a bunch of U.S. ports? In any event, I hope they don't stop serving alcohol, I would have to boycott the place, LOL. Just seems a bit odd, not that I mind, the U.S. has always been happy to sell it's assets to other countries. 1970's it was the Iranians, 1980's and 1990's it was largely the Japanese, and it's always been Great Britain. Whadya thinkk?

Don
 
Entered sell orders only with .2 envelope then manually adjusted from there...cancelled HD LOW T WMT

3 fills short with profits on GE & PG offset by a loss on PFE for an overall scratch
 
Don, I don't mind them owning half of the project.

I think my concern is that the project itself will become a target for the extremist who want to punish both the U.S. and Dubai at the same time. I live in Las Vegas and while I don't want to see any terriost event in the United States, it's doubly scary if it happens in your backyard.
 
If he was filled on something much less than 2 million that certainly changes the story for the better.

But size traded is always critical, as many are enchanted by the 'net', and think they can do the same thing with a 50k bankroll.

They barely stop to ask the size of the 'punch'


The futures came in 30 points, if you wanted to gamble that the pop was pumped, a 500 lot would have made you 750k (best case), with a lot less hassle.
 
8 fills / 26000 shares

2 long / 6 short / - 1609.00

- .03 / + 1 .47%

leh and slb got me....not bad but still stings....

fat fingered a get out...oops...

oh well...

till tommorrow...

hey don...wait till the mr. saudi meets mr. pinky ring...should be quite a conversation....
 
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