are you saying the only way to make money is to buy and hold? wow this place might as well be devoted to the stocks of the world. really sad, this used to be a decent place for traders to chat, now its a vast wasteland of yahoo type "traders". I made money today, last week, last month, last year, 5 years ago. I trade, a foreign term it seems to our resident genius. Remember, in order to make money on a trade, you have to close it out. good job stock, you almost single handedly turned this place to shit.