The Only Bailout Thread I'll Start

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

CD's are woefully mis priced. Risk across the board is STILL priced too cheap. We didn't dodge a bullet here. We're shot and I suspect wounded on the brink of mortal danger.

A lot of guys will be thinking good "shut the bastards down." Sounds prudent until they face the day in a year or two when they can't buy or sell a used car because ain't no one there to provide the loans.....

Sounds great. As it happens, I am waiting for 2009 to make discounted purchases of 2nd hand luxury automobiles and penthouses. Sorry but I don't see any intrinsic right to high residual values of discretionary luxury consumer goods. The top 5% had it easy, and now we're meant to cry over their fate?
 
Quote from GTS:

Comparing the "leverage" of the FDIC vs LEH vs Allstate misses a fundamental point - not all leverage is equivalent, it depends on the risk of the investment. By just looking at the ratios you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you're able to properly assess the ultimate risk to the FDIC then you're far more perceptive than I.

Here's a rule of thumb I use in options. ATM premium is almost always too expensive. OTM premium is almost always too cheap.

Here's a comparison. Writing auto insurance is a no-brainer. There's zero chance that every car you insure will have an accident this year. Storm insurance is the complete opposite. If one home gets hit a bunch of OTHER homes will also sustain damage. Hence there is SYSTEMATIC risk in writing storm policies. This crisis is a storm.

The FDIC works great if just one rogue institution goes under. A car accident so to speak. Try applying that risk model to the tsunami of multiple bank failures.
 
Quote from Cutten:

Sounds great. As it happens, I am waiting for 2009 to make discounted purchases of 2nd hand luxury automobiles and penthouses. Sorry but I don't see any intrinsic right to high residual values of discretionary luxury consumer goods. The top 5% had it easy, and now we're meant to cry over their fate?

I couldn't agree more. I don't know how it became market valuation acceptable to price Iowa farm land at 3k an acre and Upper East Side co-ops at $3000 per square foot.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

We didn't dodge a bullet here. We're shot and I suspect wounded on the brink of mortal danger.

Too soon to tell, but it could turn out to be the classic situation of the body being too stupid to realize the brain is already dead...
 
Quote from Cutten:

I'd just point out that without a fractional-reserve system in the first place, this would be a non issue. There would be no FDIC insurance and no need for it. Banks would just take deposits and make loans - end of story.

How would getting rid of a fractional reserve system insulate depositors from stupidity or fraud?
 
Quote from jprad:

Too soon to tell, but it could turn out to be the classic situation of the body being too stupid to realize the brain is already dead...

It sure could be.

As a trader I'll play this as RTC re-dux. Until it proves worse-and since traders only get judged by the market's prices I'll care little about housing data. After the RTC's debt issuance home prices continued to be horrifically weak. For years. In fact it's all so similar. Back then we survived. I'll stay positioned with that outcome as the probable odds play until something "un-1991'ish" happens. Then it's Katie bar the door.
 
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