The New Soviet Union - Surprise, Surprise...

September 25, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to SSSS

You missed the point of my posting.

Let me clarify to you.

In the 1980's the Russians were the bad guys in Afghanistan - the occupiers.
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Do you think that this evaluation supported worldwide ?

Which kind of communitic goverment was supported from USA

From Mr.Zbignev Bzesinski ?

Pol Pot in Campuchia . Objective - Stop influence of V'etnam
and supporter of V'etnam UdSSR


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot


Do you think that all USA and europian citizen's supported
USA war in V'etnam ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI&feature=related
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Read Nicolo Machiavelli Prince


http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince01.htm

How Many Kinds Of Principalities There Are, And By What Means They Are Acquired
ALL STATES, all powers, that have held and hold rule over men have been and are either republics or principalities.

Principalities are either hereditary, in which the family has been long established; or they are new.

The new are either entirely new, as was Milan to Francesco Sforza, or they are, as it were, members annexed to the hereditary state of the prince who has acquired them, as was the kingdom of Naples to that of the King of Spain.

Such dominions thus acquired are either accustomed to live under a prince, or to live in freedom; and are acquired either by the arms of the prince himself, or of others, or else by fortune or by ability.
 
From Mr.Zbignev Bzesinski ?

Pol Pot in Campuchia . Objective - Stop influence of V'etnam
and supporter of V'etnam UdSSR
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Compare - W.Chruchill before end of WW2 developed plan for
separate peace with Nazi Germany and common attack of UdSSR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGSBF9JPVXw&feature=related


After evaluation he avoided to realize this plan ,as
this action can not win support by broad mass in U.K .
 
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September 26, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to SSSS

I was against the Vietnam War, I was against the current Iraq War, and today the United States is in a similar position in Afghanistan that the Soviets were in the 1980’s.

The United States outsourced the war in Afghanistan to other groups and things are just getting worse and becoming a massive mess in that area of the world.

The US has the support of only a few governments, but even these governments that are supporting the US the people from these countries don’t support the war.

Basically the United States is alone just as George W. Bush wanted when he said at the UN that the US did not need anyone and that the UN was an obsolete institution – implying that the only surviving superpower could wage war by itself with no help of any other country.

I guess the United States got the wishes of George W. Bush and they have various war to fight with no help from any other country.

The point of my posting was that the Russians could do to the United States today the same thing that the United States did to the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980’s and the United States would not have a leg to stand and make a public complaint to the rest of the world.

If it was OK for the US to help the rebels in Afghanistan in the 1980’s then it would be OK for the Russians to help the current rebels today against the current occupiers.

And the ironic part of this entire story is that Osama Bin Laden still there fighting the current group of occupiers. Maybe “The Archer” will be back in business and this time around the Russians would be the ones to supply the latest versions of Stinger missiles for him to be able to do his job.

The United States was responsible for creating and training Osama Bin Laden and since then their creation has gone completely out of control.

In a Nutshell: That experiment probably defines what the United States has become for the rest of the world: a country with a lot of good ideas about politics, economics, investments that in the surface it seems like a good innovation then these experiments becomes monsters completely out of control.

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If it was OK for the US to help the rebels in Afghanistan in the 1980’s then it would be OK for the Russians to help the current rebels today against the current occupiers
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Mr.Bzesinsky stated today ,that directive of support
of Afgan rebel*s was signatured from USA president J.Carter
in maj 1979 ,6 month's before UdSSR started military involvement.

Read foreign policy classic -Nicolo Machiavelli

Internal source*s and conduct of foreigh policy

1. Political doktrin
2. Political leaderchip
3 . Group*s of influence (lobby)

USA foreign policy have is source in foreign policy of U.K.

Last is related to Romian empire foreign policy

But see is important . Read adm. A.Mahan

"Influence of seapower upon history"
" ... upon time of french revolution"


U.K. foreign policy ,intelligence and fleet was top developed

Imperator of Russia Pavel was for unity with Napoleon against
U.K.

But U.K. envoy supported conspiracy of son of Pavel
Alexander againt father .Pavel was killed in coup d*etat
with participation of english envoy and he*s son Alexander


Under Alexander ,son of Pavel Russia was involved in Napoleon war*s against Napoleon with British Empire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df93ZV5PU5U&feature=related
 
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September 26, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to SSSS

Let me clarify one important point to you.

My posting had no intention of starting a discussion of political science and philosophy of the last 700 years. It is not about whom is the person responsible for approving the US undercover military policy and US involvement in Afghanistan in the 1980’s.

My posting is about a simple concept: that the United States established a precedent in the 1980’s regarding their undercover war against the Russians in Afghanistan that justify that the Russians do the same thing today to the US army in Afghanistan.

It is a simple discussion about: if what you did to me in the past it is a reasonable justification of my actions of giving you a retribution in kind and doing the same thing to you.
 
My posting is about a simple concept: that the United States established a precedent in the 1980’s regarding their undercover war against the Russians in Afghanistan that justify that the Russians do the same thing today to the US army in Afghanistan.


You are false
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They not established a precedent in 1980

As example in april 1945 general ss Wolf as envoj from Himmler disscussed in Swiss matter of separate peace
with ... Allen Dalles ,future CIA Chef and brother of Chef
of state department .

USA participated in intervention against Soviet Russia
in time of citizen war (supported white guard)

USA ,U.K was not first to use non public diplomacy
(covert action)

That all old as world - read .If you interessed
for foreign policy ,you must knew all instruments -
public diplomacy,non public diplomacy ,military ,economical and propaganda

S. time before Romian empire -Old China (Teching of Sun tze)
Alexander the greatest ,war#s before Carfagen and Rom ,
Persian empire of Darius ,old Pharao state &


and not to use words from pop media as ...




It is a simple discussion about: if what you did to me in the past it is a reasonable justification of my actions of giving you a retribution in kind and doing the same thing to you.


Obejctive and means , Political Leaderchip ,doktrin group of influence

Foreign policy global and in specific region

Read Machiavelli,Klauzewitz,Mahan,Zomini,Napoleon and you would possible find correct answer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QtuDusWUCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EXYcG9f3Uo&feature=related
 
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SSSS: Read Machiavelli, Klauzewitz, Mahan, Zomini, Napoleon and you would possible find correct answer


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September 27, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to SSSS

Read philosopher SouthAmerica (he lived around 2008 A.D.) and you would possible find the correct answer.

Quoting SouthAmerica, he said: Hitler did not learn a lesson from Napoleon regarding attacking Russia and waging war against that country. And history repeated itself since both of them got screwed in Russia.

In the same way that the United States did not learn a lesson from the Russian experience in Afghanistan – that country is a real graveyard for former superpowers.

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Quoting SouthAmerica, he said: Hitler did not learn a lesson from Napoleon regarding attacking Russia and waging war against that country. And history repeated itself since both of them got screwed in Russia.


You are false .

" ...That was very cool's persons ..."

Molotov about A.Hitler &


Objective of Hitler was to catch the power with each price
and hold the power with each price .

Attack on Russia was started under condition of
internal NSDAP opinions .

Crowd's wish from Hitler that ,what he propagated
in he's programm.

If he not started the war , he would loose credit of mass population


Staff of Hitler as Guderian , Canaris,Speer knew all risk of this kind of adventure's and Hitler and Gobbels knew .


To be by power -that was decisive motive .

Independent from that ,what would after ...
 
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September 27, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to SSSS

I have a very hard time trying to understand what you are trying to say.

Sorry but I have no idea about what you are trying to say.

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