The New Soviet Union - Surprise, Surprise...

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John_Wensink: Seriously, SA, how many times can you be so completely wrong before you learn???

You are truly the village idiot.


Russia's Markets Halted for Second Day; Emergency Funds Fail to Stem Rout...


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September 17, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to John Wensink

Based on your comments we can see that you are the real village idiot here on this forum.

You are the one who does not have a clue and has not grasped even the tip of the iceberg of what is going on.

The fact that you quoted my posting shows that you have no idea about what is happening.

Since you don’t have the brains to grasp what is happening I give you some clues. I doubt you are capable to connect the dots anyway:

First you are confusing a short-term stock market turmoil and adjustment with a goal of a country that is in the process of making an effort to recover their circle of political and economic power.

Let me spell it out for you because you are too stupid to figure it out by yourself.

Right now countries such as Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine and many other former Soviet Union pieces are worried about what the Russians are going to do regarding their countries in the coming future.

If the Russians decide to take most of these satellites back I doubt the world can do much about it other than throw a temper tantrum and nothing else.

The Russians have been establishing a long term relationship with Cuba and also with Venezuela and if anything things have gotten worse lately between Washington and Venezuela.

And all of that has nothing to do with stock market correction that is going on in Russia.

The Russian stock market had gone up and was ready for a correction, besides their stock market is reacting to the decline in the price of oil and also as a result of the global financial crisis.

By the way, the Russians can waltz in on any of these countries that I mentioned at any time at will with complete disregard to what is happening in global financial markets.


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I said on my posting: “Today, as the United States decline economically and in prestige around the world a New Soviet Union rises from the ashes of the old Soviet Empire.”

In the last few weeks we had had a lot more damage done to the United States prestige around the world than the US ever had on its prior financial history.

The United States financial system are close to complete collapse and its free market economy has become a joke when the only way to keep the entire system afloat is by the US government nationalizing one juggernaut after another.

Not only that but American greed and lack of common sense is throwing the entire global financial system into a massive implosion mode that is getting out of hand and has started spinning completely out of control into a massive meltdown.

The Russian stock market looks great when compared with the damage that the US financial system is causing around the world.

I don’t expect that you have the brains to grasp all that and much more.

You have just confirmed and made official with your posting and you have earned the title on this Forum of: “Village Idiot.”

Congratulations Mr. John Wensink from all of us members of ET forum.

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September 19, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to Cesko

As soon the money that Ben Bernanke and the Fed sent to Russia arrived to help them with a bailout the Russian stock market also skyrocketed.


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Russian stocks suspended amid surge
Friday September 19, 2008 - 9:18 am ET
By Catrina Stewart, Associated Press Writer
Associated Press

Russian stock exchanges suspend trading twice after shares rise sharply

MOSCOW (AP) -- Russian stock exchanges halted trading Friday after stocks shot higher, rebounding off a two-day closure amid a financial crisis as the government rushed through emergency measures that included more money for banks and purchases of shares to stem plunging prices.

Exchanges suspended trading for a second time in just several hours of trading Friday after shares on the benchmark RTS and MICEX surged by 20 percent and 26.3 percent, respectively. Trading was to resume later in the day.

Stocks bounced back after the government rushed through a series of emergency measures -- amounting to some $120 billion worth of relief -- in the shape of increased liquidity to the banking sector and share purchases on the domestic markets.

The stock-markets surge came amid a global recovery in markets Friday after the U.S. took steps to limit damage from a seize-up in world credit markets following the forced private sale or government takeover in recent days of Wall Street institutions such as Lehman Brothers Holding Inc. and American International Group.

The dollar-denominated RTS halted trading for a second time Friday at 1:55 p.m. (0955GMT) after suspending trade in several stocks including Lukoil, which jumped by nearly 20 percent. On MICEX, shares in state-controlled bank VTB and state-controlled oil company Rosneft jumped by 60 percent and 45 percent, respectively, before trading was suspended….

Source: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080919/eu_russia_markets.html

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MICEX +29% @ today close....
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Russia Seeks Positive Ties, End To Confrontation With US-Govt
Last update: 9/19/2008 11:42:56 AM
MOSCOW (AFP)--Russia doesn't want further confrontation and will pursue "positive" relations with the U.S. and other countries, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement Friday.
"Russia is determined not to succumb to rhetoric and be drawn into confrontation...We will continue to promote a positive, unifying agenda in our relations with the U.S. and other partners," the statement said.
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September 19, 2008 11:42 ET (15:42 GMT)

Maybe Russians can learn too.
 
Quote from southamerica:

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Right now countries such as Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine and many other former Soviet Union pieces are worried about what the Russians are going to do regarding their countries in the coming future.

If the Russians decide to take most of these satellites back I doubt the world can do much about it other than throw a temper tantrum and nothing else.
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Somewhat true, but in that scenario NATO would lose all its meaning - Georgia wasn't a NATO member. Your rant about Russia being the new superpower isn't exactly true, although they are obviously doing financially better than in the 90s. They are still an authoritarian state with democracy only mentioned to foreign investors to bring confidence.
Historically Russia has had its highs and lows, although the highs tend to last for a far shorter time. Also you aren't considering regional politics - Moscow and St. Petersburg are the only fairly modern cities in Russia, the rest tend to be stuck in the 1970s.
 
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September 25, 2008

SouthAmerica: Last night I did watch the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War” with Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and Philip Seymour Hoffman.

They said right in the beginning of the movie that this movie was based on actual facts.

The movie was very entertaining and very well done, but the movie left out completely a very important fact.

Charlie Wilson was instrumental in supplying Stinger missiles to shoot down Russian helicopters in Afghanistan at that time.

Here is what they left out of the movie:

“In Afghanistan the Mujahideen armed with stinger missiles supplied by the CIA they gave a very hard time to the Soviet army - Bin Laden became a stinger missile expert in this war earning the nom de guerre "The Archer." And people such as Bin Laden became a key in helping the Mujahideen win the war against the Soviet Union.

At the end of the day the CIA provided the weapons and training to Osama bin Laden; the Stinger missiles to shoot down Russian helicopters in Afghanistan. The Archer became a stinger missile expert and he became so good that he helped shoot down most of the 89 Russian helicopters in a short period of time. At that time Osama Bin Laden became a Legend and a Hero of war in Afghanistan.”


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When I was watching that movie I wonder what kind of reaction the Russians would have today if they had the opportunity to watch that movie. I also wonder what kind lesson the Russians would have learnt from this movie that could be replicated today in Afghanistan?

I also wonder if this story is going to have a follow up part 2 and also based on actual facts - and In a few years a Russian filmmaker decides to make a similar movie called “Ivanovich Putin’s War” – how the KGB provided the weapons and training to Osama bin Laden; the Stinger missiles to shoot down American helicopters in Afghanistan. The Archer became a stinger missile expert and he once again he became so good that he helped shoot down most of the xxx American helicopters in a short period of time. Osama Bin Laden became a Legend and a Hero of war all over again in Afghanistan.”

Interesting sequel - what goes around comes around…


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July 30, 2006

SouthAmerica: The demise of a superpower happens over a long period of time – at least in the past for example the British Empire, the Soviet Empire, and so on….

The Afghanistan war debacle was one of the last nails in the coffin for the Soviets.

You said: “The USSR didn't survive its defeat in Afghanistan but the USA survived its defeat in Vietnam.”

But if you look around; Russia still over there and they did not disappear from the map of the globe. You don’t die completely – the Russians, and the British still around. You have a major decline in economic terms, and you lose your status as a superpower. You lose your clout, and prestige in the eyes of other people. It is a question of perception from where you are looking.

Regarding the US it is clear to me that the United States is declining very fast. Iraq will be very costly for the United States in many ways.

In Afghanistan the Mujahideen armed with stinger missiles supplied by the CIA they gave a very hard time to the Soviet army - Bin Laden became a stinger missile expert in this war earning the nom de guerre "The Archer." And people such as Bin Laden became a key in helping the Mujahideen win the war against the Soviet Union.

At the end of the day the CIA provided the weapons and training to Osama bin Laden; the Stinger missiles to shoot down Russian helicopters in Afghanistan. The Archer became a stinger missile expert and he became so good that he helped shutdown most of the 89 Russian helicopters in a short period of time. Osama Bin Laden became a Legend and a Hero of war in Afghanistan.

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When I was watching that movie I wonder what kind of reaction the Russians would have today if they had the opportunity to watch that movie
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Southamerica -

Author secured you ,that in UdSSR in 70-80's was possibility
to see best USA movie without any limitation

" Deer hunter" was forbidden ,but it is worster
as movie's belov -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZGqOJbH9Ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASoj-pHST58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBZf7vifXmY



It is no limitation in Russia to see any USA movie ,which have good quality - "Black hawk down" as example from R.Scott
 
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September 25, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to SSSS

You missed the point of my posting.

Let me clarify to you.

In the 1980's the Russians were the bad guys in Afghanistan - the occupiers.

And the United States supplied the weapons to destroy Russian Helicopters - in a short period of time armed with the new Stinger missiles they were able to destroy 89 Russian helicopters.

Basically the movie "Charlie Wilson's War" gives the Russians an idea about how to get even with the United States without having to go to war.

All the Russians need to do today in Afghanistan is to use the same strategy used by the United States against then in the 1980's.

If you look hard enough I will not be surprised that that movie is available on the internet for a download - my posting is not about the Russians controlling what the Russian people can watch on the movies - my posting is about how that movie gives a very bad idea for the Russians to get even with the US since the US army is the one that is occupying the Afghanistan today.

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