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ShoeshineBoy: I'm curious about something: do Brazilians in general feel part of "Latin American"? They've got a different language and heritage in certain ways, so do they really feel part of South American culturally and historically or do they feel mostly separate and independent?
Yes, but notice that some of the articles say that they want to model it after the European Union. If so, there will be economic requirements for entry, which would be very good for the region. Brazil, Chili, etc. could take leadership in this and pull up the whole continent. This is effectively what the Eurocrats did and it has been quite effective, strengthening many economies that were headed nowhere. That's why I asked the question above: I am wondering if Brazil even wants that kind of role? I doubt they would if they do not identify with South American as a whole...
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May 28, 2008
SouthAmerica: Reply to ShoeshineBoy
You asked me: âThey've got a different language and heritage in certain ways, so do they really feel part of South American culturally and historically or do they feel mostly separate and independent?â
Brazil is half of South America, but we donât relate well with most of the rest of South America. Uruguay, and Argentina has strong European roots. Uruguay used to be part of Brazil until 1828.
When I was in high school in Brazil I learned very little about the history of the other South American countries. I learned a little more about the war where Argentina beat Brazil and Uruguay became an independent country (1825 to 1828) - until that point Uruguay used to be part of Provincia Cisplatina in the South of Brazil.
We did not waste too much time with the history of the other South American countries they covered in one lesson the Spanish conquistadors including Pizarro and so onâ¦And I donât remember studying anything about Simon Bolivar or Jose de San Martin. The teachers in Brazil spent more time teaching us about the Incas than anything else since the Incas had a very advanced civilization in many ways.
Brazil was the country that formulated foreign policy for South America 1 ½ year before the Monroe Doctrine and you can read about it at:
February 2005 â âBrazil, the Original Leader of the Americas â Part Iâ
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1360/49/
February 2005 â âBrazil, the Original Leader of the Americas â Part IIâ
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1425/49/
I wrote 2 books about Brazilian history â about the independence of Brazil from Portugal. When I was writing these books I had to read many books on that subject and about the history of Brazil. I also had to read many books about The French Revolution because of its influence in Brazilian history.
As far as I know most Brazilians are ignorant about the history of the other countries of South America other than Pizarro the Inca civilization and few names here and there such as Peron and Evita in Argentina, Salvador Allende and Pinochett in Chile, that long time dictador of Paraguay and I donât remember his name, and most recently Evo Morales in Bolivia, and Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
I am sure that most people from the Spanish countries in South America also donât have a clue about Brazilian history.
There are many reasons for this disconnect between Brazil and the other countries of South America in the last 500 years.
During the centuries Brazil has had a much closer relationship at many levels with European countries including Portugal, France, Holland, England, Germany and Italy.
You also said: âThat's why I asked the question above: I am wondering if Brazil even wants that kind of role? I doubt they would if they do not identify with South American as a whole...â
As far as I know they donât want play that kind of role. Brazil has enough problems to solve regarding the Brazilian population never mind trying to solve the problems for the entire South America.
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ShoeshineBoy: I'm curious about something: do Brazilians in general feel part of "Latin American"? They've got a different language and heritage in certain ways, so do they really feel part of South American culturally and historically or do they feel mostly separate and independent?
Yes, but notice that some of the articles say that they want to model it after the European Union. If so, there will be economic requirements for entry, which would be very good for the region. Brazil, Chili, etc. could take leadership in this and pull up the whole continent. This is effectively what the Eurocrats did and it has been quite effective, strengthening many economies that were headed nowhere. That's why I asked the question above: I am wondering if Brazil even wants that kind of role? I doubt they would if they do not identify with South American as a whole...
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May 28, 2008
SouthAmerica: Reply to ShoeshineBoy
You asked me: âThey've got a different language and heritage in certain ways, so do they really feel part of South American culturally and historically or do they feel mostly separate and independent?â
Brazil is half of South America, but we donât relate well with most of the rest of South America. Uruguay, and Argentina has strong European roots. Uruguay used to be part of Brazil until 1828.
When I was in high school in Brazil I learned very little about the history of the other South American countries. I learned a little more about the war where Argentina beat Brazil and Uruguay became an independent country (1825 to 1828) - until that point Uruguay used to be part of Provincia Cisplatina in the South of Brazil.
We did not waste too much time with the history of the other South American countries they covered in one lesson the Spanish conquistadors including Pizarro and so onâ¦And I donât remember studying anything about Simon Bolivar or Jose de San Martin. The teachers in Brazil spent more time teaching us about the Incas than anything else since the Incas had a very advanced civilization in many ways.
Brazil was the country that formulated foreign policy for South America 1 ½ year before the Monroe Doctrine and you can read about it at:
February 2005 â âBrazil, the Original Leader of the Americas â Part Iâ
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1360/49/
February 2005 â âBrazil, the Original Leader of the Americas â Part IIâ
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1425/49/
I wrote 2 books about Brazilian history â about the independence of Brazil from Portugal. When I was writing these books I had to read many books on that subject and about the history of Brazil. I also had to read many books about The French Revolution because of its influence in Brazilian history.
As far as I know most Brazilians are ignorant about the history of the other countries of South America other than Pizarro the Inca civilization and few names here and there such as Peron and Evita in Argentina, Salvador Allende and Pinochett in Chile, that long time dictador of Paraguay and I donât remember his name, and most recently Evo Morales in Bolivia, and Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
I am sure that most people from the Spanish countries in South America also donât have a clue about Brazilian history.
There are many reasons for this disconnect between Brazil and the other countries of South America in the last 500 years.
During the centuries Brazil has had a much closer relationship at many levels with European countries including Portugal, France, Holland, England, Germany and Italy.
You also said: âThat's why I asked the question above: I am wondering if Brazil even wants that kind of role? I doubt they would if they do not identify with South American as a whole...â
As far as I know they donât want play that kind of role. Brazil has enough problems to solve regarding the Brazilian population never mind trying to solve the problems for the entire South America.
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