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The New South America Union.
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Excellent Commentary
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Actually Chavez will gain ground with his oil giveaway program.
Countries that participate can finance the amount over $50 for 25 years at 1% interest ....and can make payments in indigenous production instead of currency....
What can happen is that since the fleet count is very low in some countries that have a lot of fallow land....and if the newer low energy cane ethanol production comes into fruition which furthers production efficiency many times the current methods which are already working....they can eliminate the need for Chavez and will have strong positive trade balances from evergreen energy sales....whose production does not interfer at all with local indigenous foods....
Also wind, hydro, solar can be handily increased....and they are already doing so....Their per capita usage of energy is very low....
Some of these countries are already using motorcycles and diesels as a high percentage of their mobility....In fact, if the US were to simply use motorcycles and small diesels, petroleum usage would drop like a stone in thin air.....
Some of the poor countries can change for the positive in a very big way....if they have responsible leadership....
Responsible leadership seems to be a very difficult process....just look at what has happened to the US and Venezuela because of bad leadership....
It was very telling when the question answer period with the US energy secretary Brodman was given by Bloomberg....Anyone who saw this interview should be horrified at how sorry and aloof the US leadership really is....
It is obvious to me that the election process has to be changed. All that happens is that a couple of people are positioned against each other....and whoever has the highest advertising budget wins the game....With the advent of the internet....this needs to change in a big way....
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Actually Chavez will gain ground with his oil giveaway program.
Countries that participate can finance the amount over $50 for 25 years at 1% interest ....and can make payments in indigenous production instead of currency....
What can happen is that since the fleet count is very low in some countries that have a lot of fallow land....and if the newer low energy cane ethanol production comes into fruition which furthers production efficiency many times the current methods which are already working....they can eliminate the need for Chavez and will have strong positive trade balances from evergreen energy sales....whose production does not interfer at all with local indigenous foods....
Also wind, hydro, solar can be handily increased....and they are already doing so....Their per capita usage of energy is very low....
Some of these countries are already using motorcycles and diesels as a high percentage of their mobility....In fact, if the US were to simply use motorcycles and small diesels, petroleum usage would drop like a stone in thin air.....
Some of the poor countries can change for the positive in a very big way....if they have responsible leadership....
Responsible leadership seems to be a very difficult process....just look at what has happened to the US and Venezuela because of bad leadership....
It was very telling when the question answer period with the US energy secretary Brodman was given by Bloomberg....Anyone who saw this interview should be horrified at how sorry and aloof the US leadership really is....
It is obvious to me that the election process has to be changed. All that happens is that a couple of people are positioned against each other....and whoever has the highest advertising budget wins the game....With the advent of the internet....this needs to change in a big way....
The union is a bit flaky, but I think they see it as the seed to start fending off pressure from the US and EU, while they can continue to get another leg to support their growth.
However, heads are hot here in South America. Argentina is snubbing Brazil for wheat/flour exports, and Brazil snubbed Argentina when they had their own energy crisis. Also, commerce of vehicles in Mercosul never worked to any satisfaction. Brazil has very high tarifs on most things imported; consumers have to pay 50-60% on imports.
With that being said, there is a huge potential for them coordinating energy and natural gas exports. Just like the G20 initiative from Brazil's president Lula when it comes to agriculture - this could become something larger within the regions "powerbase". Brazil just joined Russia for financing their next generation fighter jet. With coordinated energy politics I see the US in for a lot of hurt for the future. While the US has traditionally enjoyed cheap energy from supported corrupt regimes where they would pay next to nothing in taxes for taking home natural resources.
With the US being stretched for military influence and scrambling for ever increasing deficit and economy recession with credit becoming a very sharp double-edged sword, the south american countries see their opportunity to stick it back to the US. In the far east the US is fast losing influence, while countries look to China and India for commerce and planning their economies for the future. The continued strong growth in the populous Asia region supports the notion of being able to divert focus in politics based on increasing demand for energy and commodity commerce for the time being.
All of this means that wages and consumer economies in both South America and Asia are rising. Again, meaning that some cheap goods enjoyed today will not stay that cheap for the future - and a change in lifestyle for consumers in OECD countries. Some say they will wage wars or die defending their way of life - but being thinly stretched by a devastating military blunder sort of nullifies that.
Smart war = smart economics. The grave error of the US electors choosing GWB and his greed for control over the oil is backfiring on the US like nothing else. Only history will tell the full implication of being that arrogant.
However, heads are hot here in South America. Argentina is snubbing Brazil for wheat/flour exports, and Brazil snubbed Argentina when they had their own energy crisis. Also, commerce of vehicles in Mercosul never worked to any satisfaction. Brazil has very high tarifs on most things imported; consumers have to pay 50-60% on imports.
With that being said, there is a huge potential for them coordinating energy and natural gas exports. Just like the G20 initiative from Brazil's president Lula when it comes to agriculture - this could become something larger within the regions "powerbase". Brazil just joined Russia for financing their next generation fighter jet. With coordinated energy politics I see the US in for a lot of hurt for the future. While the US has traditionally enjoyed cheap energy from supported corrupt regimes where they would pay next to nothing in taxes for taking home natural resources.
With the US being stretched for military influence and scrambling for ever increasing deficit and economy recession with credit becoming a very sharp double-edged sword, the south american countries see their opportunity to stick it back to the US. In the far east the US is fast losing influence, while countries look to China and India for commerce and planning their economies for the future. The continued strong growth in the populous Asia region supports the notion of being able to divert focus in politics based on increasing demand for energy and commodity commerce for the time being.
All of this means that wages and consumer economies in both South America and Asia are rising. Again, meaning that some cheap goods enjoyed today will not stay that cheap for the future - and a change in lifestyle for consumers in OECD countries. Some say they will wage wars or die defending their way of life - but being thinly stretched by a devastating military blunder sort of nullifies that.
Smart war = smart economics. The grave error of the US electors choosing GWB and his greed for control over the oil is backfiring on the US like nothing else. Only history will tell the full implication of being that arrogant.
Quote from southamerica:
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\It would not bother me if Hugo Chavez became the leader of that new group of countries â the new Simon Bolivar.
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When peasants run the show this is what normally happens, period.
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/haiti.htm
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May 25. 2008
SouthAmerica: Regarding Hugo Chavez and Simon Bolivar.
I said: "It would not bother me if Hugo Chavez became the leader of that new group of countries â the new Simon Bolivar."
Hugo Chavez sees himself as the new Simon Bolivar of the Spanish world in South America and his goal is to unite the countries that used to belong to the Spanish Empire.
Let me clarify one more point because most people don't have a clue about the history of most South American countries including Brazil.
First, Brazil was not part of the countries that used to belong to the Spanish Empire. Brazil was a colony of Portugal from the year 1500 up to 1822.
Simon Bolivar had absolutely nothing to do with the history of Brazil - but he is an important figure regarding the history of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Bolivia.
Jose de San Martin was the liberator of countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Peru.
In Brazil my ancestor Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva was the main figure in Brazilian history regarding Brazil's independence from Portugal. http://alpha.fdu.edu/~amaral/part1.html
In my opinion, it is Hugo Chavez business if he decides to unite Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Bolivia into one country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simón_Bolívar
If another San Martin comes along who decides to unite Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, and Peru - it is also fine with me. http://pachami.com/English/ressanmE.htm
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May 25. 2008
SouthAmerica: Regarding Hugo Chavez and Simon Bolivar.
I said: "It would not bother me if Hugo Chavez became the leader of that new group of countries â the new Simon Bolivar."
Hugo Chavez sees himself as the new Simon Bolivar of the Spanish world in South America and his goal is to unite the countries that used to belong to the Spanish Empire.
Let me clarify one more point because most people don't have a clue about the history of most South American countries including Brazil.
First, Brazil was not part of the countries that used to belong to the Spanish Empire. Brazil was a colony of Portugal from the year 1500 up to 1822.
Simon Bolivar had absolutely nothing to do with the history of Brazil - but he is an important figure regarding the history of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Bolivia.
Jose de San Martin was the liberator of countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Peru.
In Brazil my ancestor Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva was the main figure in Brazilian history regarding Brazil's independence from Portugal. http://alpha.fdu.edu/~amaral/part1.html
In my opinion, it is Hugo Chavez business if he decides to unite Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Bolivia into one country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simón_Bolívar
If another San Martin comes along who decides to unite Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, and Peru - it is also fine with me. http://pachami.com/English/ressanmE.htm
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May 26, 2008
SouthAmerica: You also can read the discussion on this subject on Brazzil magazine â if you want to check the reaction of Brazilians to the formation of this: SAU.
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Brazzil Magazine â May 23, 2008
UnaSur, the South America Union, Is Born Today in Brazil.
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/9346/
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May 26, 2008
SouthAmerica: You also can read the discussion on this subject on Brazzil magazine â if you want to check the reaction of Brazilians to the formation of this: SAU.
*****
Brazzil Magazine â May 23, 2008
UnaSur, the South America Union, Is Born Today in Brazil.
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/9346/
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Quote from southamerica:
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May 25. 2008
SouthAmerica: Regarding Hugo Chavez and Simon Bolivar.
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In my opinion, it is Hugo Chavez business if he decides to unite Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Bolivia into one country.
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Are you seriously that stupid? Your analogy seems to suggest or imply that it was Hitler's business to unite all of Europe...since apparently it was "his" business, then it was ok.
Unreal.
Quote from Raptor Deus:
Are you seriously that stupid? Your analogy seems to suggest or imply that it was Hitler's business to unite all of Europe...since apparently it was "his" business, then it was ok.
Unreal.
He made a silly comment and so far he is too silly to admit to it.
This then puts all of his comments in the "too silly" bucket.
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f9