The Neocons Ride Again

mamamia · Aug 31, 2006

Quote from dddooo:

08-31-06 06:37 PM

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Quote from tradermaji:

Another weird thing that bothers me. I don't see a single muslim name in the passenger list of the ill fated 911 flights.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...75.victims.html

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...77.victims.html

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...11.victims.html

Perhaps some names are missing, and someone may have a better and more comprehensive list.
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These are not passenger lists, these are victim lists - obviously hijackers are no victims so they were excluded, the number of people on every list is less than the total number of passengers they say were on board.

Now that's funny. Reading the links, these ARE passenger lists. It says so there. Nowhere it says hijackers excluded. But lets assume they are as you say.
The numbers do not add up, correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize in advance if I miscalculated or miscounted.

Flight AA 11
Crew 11
Passengers counted 76
Total on board per link: 92 (passengers plus crew)
Assumed hijackers 5 not listed?

Flight UAL 175
Crew 9
Passengers counted 47
Passenger list per link: 56 (passengers only)
Assumed hijackers 9 not listed?

Flight AA 77
Crew 6
Passengers counted 50
Total on board per link: 64 (passengers plus crew)
Assumed hijackers 8 not listed?

Total hijackers so far 22 !!!!
The official report lists 21 hijackers

What about Flight 93? 3-4 more?

How many hijackers were there?

dddooo · Aug 31, 2006

Quote from mamamia:

Now that's funny. Reading the links, these ARE passenger lists. It says so there. Nowhere it says hijackers excluded. But lets assume they are as you say.
The numbers do not add up, correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize in advance if I miscalculated or miscounted.

It does not say that hijackers were excluded but it does not say that it's a complete passenger list either. Take a look at the URL of the links, the web page itself is called victims.html, it's located in the directory called Victims (i.e. ...trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html), the menu above the list has the item "Victims" highlighted so I think it's safe to assume that hijackers were excluded.

I agree with you on the second point, the numbers don't add up, don't ask me why

Pabst · Aug 31, 2006

Quote from ratboy88:

OMGGGGG.... you're a complete idiot. i am embarrassed for you.

the "magic passport" was never on the plane... LOL LOL LOL how fkn stupid are you? these other items could have come from multiple floors. as far as flight attendants bound hands.. i want proof of that, but i will tackle that once you document.

where are the BLACK BOXES

This will be the last time I waste even a second of my life replying to one of your inane, asinine posts. I've not once in 5 years on ET used the ignore feature. I guess I'll now see how it works.

How do you know for a fact whether the passport was on the plane or not? Do you have testimony of someone saying they planted it? Do you know how many personal effects of passengers and crew were recovered? The hijackers flew under there own names and were each asked for identification. (In fact 9 of the 19 were stopped by security). They appeared on passenger list without alias. Thus WTF would ONE hijackers passport need to be "planted"?

And if as I'm sure you allege, there were NO "hijackers" why concoct identities tying the hijackers to two nations that have the STRONGEST relations with the U.S. Why not "invent" Iraqi or Iranian hijackers?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5485376

http://www.policetalk.com/9_hijackers.html

mamamia · Aug 31, 2006

The numbers definitely do not add up.
On the first point, I looked under manifest lists for the airlines (no victim wording or highlights) and they are pretty much the same. Maybe Iâm wrong but I canât make the same assumption yet as you do.

Another issue which is not adding up.
How were all these assumed hijackers identified as such?
Only an idiot would believe all or a number of their 21 passports were found in the infernos.

If they were already known terrorists, WHY were they allowed on the planes?
Who was in charge of airport security?

If they were unknown before, how were their passports used to identify them?
How were they identified so fast after the events? What was it a couple of days?
Funny thing is, all the metal detector passage points have cameras monitoring them. None of the assumed hijackers showed up, besides the Atta mohhamad guy somewhere in west coast few hours before the tragic events. The least I'd expect to see is the rest of their faces going through the check points prior boarding.

Really, how do we know who were they?

Bitstream · Aug 31, 2006

i give u a hint; the judge in the moussari trial admitted there was not a shred of evidence about whom the terrorists were, infact he said that the names provided by the gov are not reliable since almost all of 'em were found alive and well in thier respective countries. and ya includin' atta that rang his father protestin' his innocence the days followin' 9/11.

Quote from mamamia:

The numbers definitely do not add up.
On the first point, I looked under manifest lists for the airlines (no victim wording or highlights) and they are pretty much the same. Maybe Iâm wrong but I canât make the same assumption yet as you do.

Another issue which is not adding up.
How were all these assumed hijackers identified as such?
Only an idiot would believe all or a number of their 21 passports were found in the infernos.

If they were already known terrorists, WHY were they allowed on the planes?
Who was in charge of airport security?

If they were unknown before, how were their passports used to identify them?
How were they identified so fast after the events? What was it a couple of days?
Funny thing is, all the metal detector passage points have cameras monitoring them. None of the assumed hijackers showed up, besides the Atta mohhamad guy somewhere in west coast few hours before the tragic events. The least I'd expect to see is the rest of their faces going through the check points prior boarding.

Really, how do we know who were they?

Pabst · Aug 31, 2006

I dare you to find any link containing quotes from Judge Brinkema supporting your statement.

Quote from Bitstream:

i give u a hint; the judge in the moussari trial admitted there was not a shred of evidence about whom the terrorists were, infact he said that the names provided by the gov are not reliable since almost all of 'em were found alive and well in thier respective countries. and ya includin' atta that rang his father protestin' his innocence the days followin' 9/11.

Bitstream · Aug 31, 2006

Quote from Pabst:

I dare you to find any link containing quotes from Judge Brinkema supporting your statement.

ror, i followed the trial on television, those were his statements.

Pabst · Aug 31, 2006

Quote from Bitstream:

ror, i followed the trial on television, those were his statements.

His statements? That's interesting considering the fact that Judge Brinkema is a WOMAN!

Bitstream · Aug 31, 2006

Quote from Pabst:

His statements? That's interesting considering the fact that Judge Brinkema is a WOMAN!

whatever, i never saw any real scene from the trial, all we had were sketches so the judge could have been a transexual for what i could see. one thing was clear tho..the statements issued at the end of the trial.

ZZZzzzzzzz · Aug 31, 2006

What a cissy move.

"I'm going to put you on ignore, I'm going to put you on ignore."

Quote from Pabst:

This will be the last time I waste even a second of my life replying to one of your inane, asinine posts. I've not once in 5 years on ET used the ignore feature. I guess I'll now see how it works.

How do you know for a fact whether the passport was on the plane or not? Do you have testimony of someone saying they planted it? Do you know how many personal effects of passengers and crew were recovered? The hijackers flew under there own names and were each asked for identification. (In fact 9 of the 19 were stopped by security). They appeared on passenger list without alias. Thus WTF would ONE hijackers passport need to be "planted"?

And if as I'm sure you allege, there were NO "hijackers" why concoct identities tying the hijackers to two nations that have the STRONGEST relations with the U.S. Why not "invent" Iraqi or Iranian hijackers?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5485376

http://www.policetalk.com/9_hijackers.html