The Neocons Ride Again

[dddooo]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

Serious question here: Is it true that the government actually claimed to have found the 9/11 hijackers' passports in the rubble of ground zero? I have an open mind here- I'd really like to know if this is or isn't an urban legend.

this seems to be true as it was reported by the 9/11 commission:

Four of the hijackers’ passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines Flight 11. A passerby picked it up and gave it to an NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth Staff Statement No. 1 2 passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston onto the connecting flight, which was American Airlines Flight 11.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff...al-Suqami passport 9/11 hijackers commission"

 

[tradermaji]

Quote from dddooo:

These are not passenger lists, these are victim lists - obviously hijackers are no victims so they were excluded, the number of people on every list is less than the total number of passengers they say were on board.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from dddooo:

In other words you don't know whether another "incident" will happen on our soil in the future, you don't know the magnitude of that future attack either but you do know that if/when it happens it won't be arabs or muslims terrorists, you already know that it will be our own and of course Israeli governments, right? It's kinda ironic to watch how another conspiracy theory takes root even before the incident it's talking about happened.

i pray to god you are right but i have a bad feeling about those spies busted in moving vans with a minimum of trace explosives and god knows what else. one in tennessee and one in seattle... not to mention the mexican congress and urban moving systems. what were they up to? how many are we not catching? why do they get slaps on the wrist and free rides home?

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from dddooo:

Hmm, not really

Waleed and Wail were both mistakenly reported to have been found alive and well, by the BBC later in 2001. They were initially reported in error by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India. On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida - but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.

Muhammad Ali Al-Shihri, the hijacker al-Shehri brothers' true father, was identified prior to September 17, 2001, and told Arab News that he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001.[1] An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on Aug 25 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother, Salah, who agreed that his two brothers were dead and claimed they had been "brainwashed".

Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri

i know wiki quite well... and i try not to cite it given its model. i usually use it only as a reference to find credible links. nice try... or if i am desperate....LOL LOL

 

[Rearden Metal]

Quote from dddooo:

this seems to be true as it was reported by the 9/11 commission:

Four of the hijackers’ passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines Flight 11. A passerby picked it up and gave it to an NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.

So the government is <b>really</b> claiming that a hijacker's passport was recovered near ground zero? This seems like a pretty outrageous claim.

(Of course that does NOT lead me to conclude that 9/11 was some kind of 'Zionist conspiracy'. Just that the official 9/11 story isn't completely true- something I've sensed from the very beginning.)

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

....... Just that the official 9/11 story isn't completely true- something I've sensed from the very beginning.)

no fkn shit.

 

[Pabst]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

So the government is <b>really</b> claiming that a hijacker's passport was recovered near ground zero? This seems like a pretty outrageous claim.

(Of course that does NOT lead me to conclude that 9/11 was some kind of 'Zionist conspiracy'. Just that the official 9/11 story isn't completely true- something I've sensed from the very beginning.)

Are you on Drugs??

Oh, that's right.......

RM, There were ten's of thousands wallets, purses, watches, rings, even autographed baseballs recovered. One rescuer found the minutes of a meeting transcribed to the moment the first plane hit. The bound wrists of a stewardess were found on a roof a couple of blocks away. Like all events there's a HUGE degree of randomness as far as what winds up where and in what condition.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Pabst:

Are you on Drugs??

Oh, that's right.......

RM, There were ten's of thousands wallets, purses, watches, rings, even autographed baseballs recovered. One rescuer found the minutes of a meeting transcribed to the moment the first plane hit. The bound wrists of a stewardess were found on a roof a couple of blocks away. Like all events there's a HUGE degree of randomness as far as what winds up where and in what condition.

but most of the items you just named were not in the cockpit you dumbass. funny how they couldnt locate the black boxes though. hmmmmmmmmmmm

wait.. i know.. it was in his carry on luggage in an overhead bin. LOL LOL LOL.... it was unscathed !!!!!!!!!!!

where are the BLACK BOXES

 

[Pabst]

Quote from ratboy88:

but most of the items you just named were not in the cockpit you dumbass. funny how they couldnt locate the black boxes though. hmmmmmmmmmmm

wait.. i know.. it was in his carry on luggage in an overhead bin. LOL LOL LOL.... it was unscathed !!!!!!!!!!!

So you admit the items you've mentioned were in the cockpit? Interesting concession.....

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Pabst:

So you admit the items you've mentioned were in the cockpit? Interesting concession.....

OMGGGGG.... you're a complete idiot. i am embarrassed for you.

the "magic passport" was never on the plane... LOL LOL LOL how fkn stupid are you? these other items could have come from multiple floors. as far as flight attendants bound hands.. i want proof of that, but i will tackle that once you document.

where are the BLACK BOXES